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Do we consciously choose to suffer?

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Do we consciously choose to suffer?

Postby Individual » Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:05 am

Do we consciously choose to suffer?

If no, then how can there be responsibility or control over something which we are not conscious of?

If yes, then why would we choose to suffer, when suffering is undesirable by definition? Why consciously make a decision that is immediately regrettable? Why even choose one form of suffering over another?
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Re: Do we consciously choose to suffer?

Postby Ben » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:47 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do we consciously choose to suffer?

Postby pink_trike » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:10 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: Do we consciously choose to suffer?

Postby Jechbi » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:49 am

Please define "consciously."

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Re: Do we consciously choose to suffer?

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Re: Do we consciously choose to suffer?

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:44 am

yes. well at least i know i have and i'm sure i'm not the only one.
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Do we consciously choose to suffer?

Postby acinteyyo » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:41 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Do we consciously choose to suffer?

Postby Samanera Tris Andika » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:43 pm

:goodpost: :anjali:
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Re: Do we consciously choose to suffer?

Postby Fede » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:19 pm

I'm of the opinion that we do, yes.
Why?
Because otherwise we wouldn't still all be stuck here, would we?

"Ignorance" is no excuse in Law.
And it's no excuse here, either.
We all know well enough about the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha to understand that Ignorance is self-inflicted.
Ignorance in the sense of delusion, is 'curable'.
Ignorance in the sense of not being educated, is also curable.
All we have to do, is 'face it'.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: Do we consciously choose to suffer?

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:01 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.


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