Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

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Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

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Hello

Is there a Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume Five?

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According the publisher's details given for volume four, we know that at least up to chapter 43 ("The Steed Balaha") has been published. As I personally only have the first two volumes, I can't tell you if any of the subsequent chapters are included in volume four, or if they are to be published still. There are supposed to be 54 chapters in total, based on the table of contents given by Karma Chagme (as published in the first volume).

It's sort of unclear if the fifth volume is supposed to be the root text or not based on the description given on the KTD bookstore website. However, keep in mind that "[Khenpo Karthar] Rinpoche also omitted the chapters that he considered restricted. These restricted or secret parts will be taught and published separately at Karma Ling Retreat Center for use by qualified students."

It's possible to get the root text in the Tibetan if you can read it: http://www.namsebangdzo.com/Karma_Chakm ... /13488.htm
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"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

དྲིན་ཆེན་རྩ་བའི་བླ་མ་སྐྱབས་རྗེ་མགར་ཆེན་ཁྲི་སྤྲུལ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་ཁྱེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ།།
རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་མཁས་གྲུབ་ཀརྨ་ཆགས་མེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ། ཀརྨ་པ་མཁྱེན་ནོཿ
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i second Karma Jinpa's reply. i think it was stated in the vol.2 introduction that the vol.5 is a restricted book.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

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OK it is restricted. But where can we buy who have permission?
I have tried to search for it..? Maybe the last part is not translated at all?
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maybe the best way is to contact Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche..
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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I found out that part 5 is not available for general public at all. Even if you had permission.
I cannot Tibetan so I have no clues what the part 5 is about. I am interested in the original text of Karma Chakme.
Hopefully we see translation of the complete text if it is beneficial.
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There are "parts" of the previous volumes, or rather sections in the earlier portions of the original text, that were not translated, due to restrictions, as well as the fifth volume. These relate to aspects of practice that require personal transmission from a qualified teacher--prior to being able to read the text. If you can read Tibetan, you can find out what those things are, but it's not really worthwhile unless you' ve been exposed to those things already in a formal way.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Some of the topics you'll find relate to protector practice, secret mantra yogi's activity, Dzogchen Togal, tummo and tsalung.......
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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:spy: :soapbox: :toilet:
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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So apparently there is an auction being held by Shambhala Sun magazine, and one of the listings is this gem:

https://www.biddingforgood.com/auction/ ... =202593428

That's right, folks. They're estimating the value of a four-volume set of Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma at $115... and the current leading bid is a paltry $37!!!

:jawdrop:
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"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

དྲིན་ཆེན་རྩ་བའི་བླ་མ་སྐྱབས་རྗེ་མགར་ཆེན་ཁྲི་སྤྲུལ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་ཁྱེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ།།
རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་མཁས་གྲུབ་ཀརྨ་ཆགས་མེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ། ཀརྨ་པ་མཁྱེན་ནོཿ
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Karma Jinpa wrote:So apparently there is an auction being held by Shambhala Sun magazine, and one of the listings is this gem:

https://www.biddingforgood.com/auction/ ... =202593428

That's right, folks. They're estimating the value of a four-volume set of Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma at $115... and the current leading bid is a paltry $37!!!

:jawdrop:
That's for a teaching/commentary on the text, not the text itself.
"It's not ok to practice Dharma sometimes, just when you feel like it. You have to practice all the time" - Lama Rigzin Rinpoche.
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