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How common is stream entry?

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Re: How common is stream entry?

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Re: ...---... How common is stream entry?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:42 am

Greetings nowheat,

It's any instance where "other power" (as opposed to one's own efforts) is invoked.

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Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:28 am

Greetings,

Well, there you go. Thanks Dave.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: ...---... How common is stream entry?

Postby mirco » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:57 am

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: ...---... How common is stream entry?

Postby Sokehi » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:25 pm

better never talk about it imho.

If you are, that's fine and you are blessed. but your way doesn't stop there. I've came to know some teachers... well if those "teachers" had told me I'd be a sotapanna I'd really doubt about the usefulness of my previous efforts.
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Re: ...---... How common is stream entry?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:48 pm

I remember a story about the early days of chithurst.

There was a man who had a conversation with Ajahn Sumedho and in the coarse of him telling Luang Por about his experiances he thought Luang Por had told him he was a sotapanna, in fact Luang Por had said that he had experianced what is known as a Blissful mind (can not remember the pali term) which he misheard as sotapanna.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby Viscid » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:53 pm

Why does the sotapanna classification exist, anyway? Does a stream enterer practice the Dhamma differently after stream-entry? And why did it become less emphasized in later Buddhist schools?
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby James the Giant » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:39 pm

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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