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"Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby Hanzze » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:00 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:55 am

Thanks for sharing Hanzee.

Noah Levine is a great teacher. His book Dharma Punx was one of the first Buddhist books I read and I could really relate to his message being that I was coming from a similar background as his with the drugs, alcohol and heavy metal music. His book was really influential to me as I was just finding my way to the Dhamma and credit him in helping me find my way here. Noah has a great message for young Buddhist's and I highly recommend his books. I look forward to seeing this fim.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby James the Giant » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:46 am

I beg to differ.
Noah Levine is a soft-core white middle-class faux-punk.
His book is a standard introduction spiced up with slang, a pretentious attitude, and pop-culture punk references.
I love the , they really sum up my views of Noah's books.
The film may be good, but I'm sure not going to waste my time finding out.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby Hanzze » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:55 am

I agree with you James the Giant a little, but actually for many even such a step is already a big step. Actually it also has much danger to grow just into an additional subculture where the tendencies will over swap the Dhamma.
Not many are able to really break out, but for some it will be a steppingstone. It's quite a good nourishing ground for the so modern "Bodhisattva" movements.

How every, even if it is a small seed, it might grow some times later on.

But maybe Bodom would share a little more to show how it could happen and how it happens when it happens not so good.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:57 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby marc108 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:03 am

I've never read his books, but I've listened to quite a bit of his Dhamma talks & have benefited from them greatly. Mr Levine is a skilled teacher, and imo, an innovator in where/how he is teaching.
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:07 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby Hanzze » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:13 am

In earlier times I run some hard rock clubs and I guess I know those rebels very good. They have a real strong potential, mostly much more as the so called modest. When such rebels come in touch with the right path, they are like rockets.

They know suffering well, they have done much meditation on death and feeling without knowing consciously. People walking on the edge, if they get the chance (which is of cause a matter of their past actions) have a total different access, which comes from understanding the first and second noble truth mostly from own understanding and do not work through much intellectualism.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:17 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby Hanzze » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:03 pm

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby Ben » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:35 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby yawares » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:33 pm

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby alan » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:59 pm

Of course, it is good to help others. No one would disagree with that general statement. But I'm with James on this one. I'm very familiar with Santa Cruz, having spent all my summers there as a kid. It's a very nice, very expensive, very liberal beach town about an hour from San Francisco. The local "punks" are either disaffected from their wealthy parents or just bums who are tolerated by the locals, many of whom work at the nearby University.

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:07 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby alan » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:18 pm

Happy to hear you've benefitted from it, bodom. Anything else I say would be negative. So I won't say it.

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby bodom » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:21 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby alan » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:28 pm

I'd like to read a different book. Maybe it would be titled "Meditate and create: Art, spirituality, and awareness".

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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:22 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: "Meditate and destroy" punk rock, spirituality, rebellion

Postby danieLion » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:40 pm

He's a typical So-Co punk from the 80's. Criticizing him is criticizing a whole thriving culture. He took Huston Smith's Buddha as A Rebel Saint thesis and ran with it.

He was raised right (you do know who his parents and step-mom are, right?). I wish he and others would talk more about that than punk and rebellion.

Kind regards,
Daniel


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