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Entheogens and Buddhism

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

Postby silentone » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:59 pm

I think you hit the nail on the head. The key is really having a relationship with your health care providers. The united states has a weird insurance and drug industry which distorts the patient doctor relationship. Its too easy just to throw tranquilizers at a problem quickly and get reimbursed by the patients provider.

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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:16 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

Postby Ben » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:26 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

Postby danieLion » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:26 am

If you take acid to get intoxicated, you're not following the first precept.

What if you take it to have a spiritual experience?

And: if intoxication is a side effect of your medicine, are you then heedless incidentally or by association?

metta

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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

Postby Mr Man » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:05 am

"Drugs can bring about meaningful experiences, but the one who takes a drug has not made causes for such effects. He has just temporarily altered nature, like injecting a monkey with hormones that send him shooting up a tree to pick coconuts. Such experiences may be true but not good or good but not true, whereas Dharma is always both good and true."

Taken from: http://www.dhammatalks.net/Books2/Ajahn ... t_Pool.htm

Searched the above down on the web. I had remembered something like "The experience is real but it has been stolen".

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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

Postby bdmntn » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:12 pm

most of these comments seem beside the point.

i think the problem is that almost all of the respondents here are trying to categorize and abstract out an essence of an idea instead of confronting some bits of reality i am trying to focus on.

my own point is this page is the second result on google search results for the phrase 'buddhism and entheogens'. i am a korean seon buddhist living in america. i click on this link. i see someone proclaiming a dogmatic rule for all of buddhism (if you are a follower of buddha, etc). i know that i am a follower of buddha, within a different tradition, and find it odd that someone is claiming all these rules of buddha without even mentioning any intent behind the rules and in a spirit that breaks with other buddhist traditions of mindfulness, compassion, dialogue etc.

perhaps others, totally ignorant of the bulk of buddhas teaching, also found this site, and as current drug users who find their desires and life being filled by drugs rather than dharma, will chose what they know in the first 5 seconds without finding a hook that will engage them because of a focus on authoritarian language rather than intent.

this forum does not exist in an isolated, abstract community of fellow-travelers on an island, but on the internet where it can be seen by people coming from many many backgrounds. how does it help those people to engage in rule-reciting rather than the intention behind those rules? perhaps some people, perhaps young, who visit this site are drug users and want to remain drug users, but are also interested in buddhism. it is more important to recite rules about how drug use is bad, then to get them more interested in the dharma than in drugs?

of course drug use won't be helpful for people once they've taken refuge, of course buddhism is a western concept, of course there was no such thing as hinduism, of course there are multiple interpretations of the suttas, of course of course of course skillful means can be employed to negative ends, but of course so can rules. is that impossible or ludicrous to accept?
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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:21 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:44 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Entheogens and Buddhism

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