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Mind and brain relationship

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Mind and brain relationship

Postby Dmytro » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:31 am

Hi,

I would like to discuss the relationship between mind and brain.

To start with, here's some videos and stories of people who survived well the considerable brain damage:

Carlos Sosa:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ4KbsCTsWc

Hemispherectomy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSu9HGnlMV0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemispherectomy

Michelle Mack:
http://campbellbrown.blogs.cnn.com/2009 ... f-a-brain/

Phineas Gage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage


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Postby danieLion » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:27 pm

When I discuss Mind & Brain I like to make sure some basics are covered.

I'd start with William James' Principles of Psychology, Patricia Churchland's (Neurophilosophy), Korzybski's Science & Sanity, Robert Anton Wilson's Quantum Psychology (and some Crowley and Tim Leary if you dare); some Joseph E. LeDoux, Oliver Sachs, Daniel Goleman and Robert M. Sapolsky's Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers; some Daniel J. Siegel and Gerald Huther's The Compassionate Brain: How Empathy Creates Intelligence; and some primers on the latest glia research like Andrew Koob's The Root of Thought and R. Douglas Fields' The Other Brain.

And, if you've already read some or all of the above, I'm ready to discuss based on that.

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Postby Dmytro » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:19 am

Thank you, Alobha, for excellent links and quotes.

We have a limited range of perception - it's like being in a room.
There's a thing directly observable - brain - it's like a box in a room.
And there's a thing observable through its manifestations - mind.

Say, we are in a room and a box, somewhat like a radio or a music box, exhibits complex behavior.
When we disrupt certain parts of the box, certain components of behavior cease.
Yet such experiment isn't complete. The source of behavior may be inside the box or outside, as in the case of the radio.

Complete experiment would involve restoring the box in a significantly modified form. The behaviour then should be significantly altered.

For example, if the amygdala is restored in a new form, would the same fears manifest? Or they would be completely different?

Or, if the part of the brain is damaged, with loss of memory, and then restored, with new neural paths, would the same memories manifest? Or something would radically change?

http://www.context.org/iclib/ic06/gilman2/


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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby daverupa » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:51 pm

relates to this discussion:

Man and his Destiny - the Release of the Human Mind: a study of citta in relation to dhamma in some ancient Indian texts, by Jan T. Ergardt.

A fundamental claim in this work is that part of the pedagogical strategy employed by the Buddha was to massage the old atman-brahman complex and rework it as a citta-dhamma complex while upholding anatta.

In my opinion, the work dances around a bit between cogent argument and flights of fancy; worth slogging through just for the comprehensive analysis of the key term citta in the Majjhima, which is why I mention it here.

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Mind and brain are not one and the same nor totally different.

They are co dependent like sheaves of reeds. Without brain there cannot be mind but without mind the brain cannot be known.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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