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Gutor Day -help-

Postby Leshaye » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:22 pm

Hey there,

I am a student, studying Buddhism and I have some questions regarding Gutor Day and the ritual of Lama Dancing and also the pilgrimage site Bodhgaya. I require answers from those with personal experience.

1) what is the purpose of visiting the enlightenment site Bodhgaya?
2) Must the lama dance be performed in a specific sacred space? if so why?
3) -very important- How does both the ritual of lama dancing and the pilgrimage to Bodhgaya help you encounter the numinous?
4) when performing the ritual of lama dancing and participating in Gutor day, and visiting Bodhgaya, does it and how does it change you?
5) How does this ritual and pilgrimage impact on your daily life?

I am aware some of these are personal individual questions regarding your faith and personal feelings and though I dont wish to be rude I am very interested in Buddhism and hope to understand how the spirituality and especially these particular traditions effect you spiritually and emotionally. I would also like to understand, how do you know when you've reached enlightenment? It has been puzzling me for a while.

Thankyou I would greatly appreciate the help :namaste:
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Re: Gutor Day -help-

Postby michaelb » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:04 pm

Visiting holy sites blessed by the Buddha and other realised teachers helps to create merit. when people visit, they may make offerings and engage in other positive acts as the power of the place amplifies the merit created. Holy places are also thought to make practice more effective.

I'm guessing your questions are separate as I've never seen 'Lama dances' in Bodhgaya. I have seen a few in Tso Pema, a place made sacred by Guru Rinpoche's visit when he practiced there with Mandarava. You can read about dances there, both on Gutor and the first tenth day of the year,
Here: http://www.digitalhimalaya.com/collections/journals/bot/index.php?selection=29
Volume 28 number 1
and here:
http://ngb.csac.anthropology.ac.uk/csac/NGB/Doc_ext/Gar.xml
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Re: Gutor Day -help-

Postby Leshaye » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:05 pm

Thankyou!

And yes they are separate questions I should have made that clearer. I have to reenact a separate ritual and pilgrimage but I wish to be able to understand their importance to add depth to my presentation.
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Re: Gutor Day -help-

Postby Adamantine » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:33 pm

As far as I know, sacred dances like Lama dances are not dependent on a special or sacred location for their performance. They also can happen at any occasion, not only Gutor. There are elaborate dances that happen during Gutor and they are specific to removing the obstacles of the coming year, purifying negativity and inviting auspicious circumstances. But Lama dances can be also offered at the time of tsok/ganapuja as an offering, or at any time as an offering. The dances themselves create sacred space, which is why they are not dependent on a sacred space to be performed. The ones I am familiar with at Gutor time are the ones performed at the Dudjom Gompa in Boudha in Kathmandu, near the Boudhanath stupa. These happen in the outer courtyard in front of the temple. Probably most Gutor dances happen at the temples or monasteries. Usually it takes highly trained ritual artists and young agile ones to do these dances. So the training of young people who are capable of this usually happens in the temples or monasteries. There are also Ngakpa(tantric lay householder ritual specialists) communities where youths are trained in these arts, one such in the USA is the community established by Dungse Thinley Norbu Rinpoche in New York and in California. I hope this info benefits!
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Re: Gutor Day -help-

Postby Leshaye » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:36 am

Ok that helps a lot actually :thanks:

:) Now I have more questions that I would like answers to:

1) Who are the 8 Deity normally used in this ritual on Gutor Day?
2) what are important symbols and what do they mean?
3) How does it make you feel spiritually connected? (encounter your numinous)
4) What are important sacred symbols in the pilgrimage site Bodhgaya? what do they mean?
5) Does visiting Bodhgaya help you feel more spiritually connected? how?
6) Do you feel 'changed' after visiting?
7) How do you know if you have become Enlightened?

Sorry, it's kind of important
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Re: Gutor Day -help-

Postby tomamundsen » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:54 am

Leshaye wrote:1) Who are the 8 Deity normally used in this ritual on Gutor Day?

Probably the eight herukas? But I'm not sure.
Leshaye wrote:7) How do you know if you have become Enlightened?

You no longer suffer, you are omniscient, and you can limitlessly emanata Nirmanakaya and Sambhogakaya forms to help beings.
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Re: Gutor Day -help-

Postby michaelb » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:02 pm

Leshaye wrote:Now I have more questions that I would like answers to:

1) Who are the 8 Deity normally used in this ritual on Gutor Day?
2) what are important symbols and what do they mean?
3) How does it make you feel spiritually connected? (encounter your numinous)
4) What are important sacred symbols in the pilgrimage site Bodhgaya? what do they mean?
5) Does visiting Bodhgaya help you feel more spiritually connected? how?
6) Do you feel 'changed' after visiting?
7) How do you know if you have become Enlightened?

Sorry, it's kind of important

Different monasteries will perform different cham at gutor depending on their tradition. The deities dancing will be different depending on the different traditions. For example, many Nyingma monasteries will focus on Vajrakilaya as the main deity and the others as deities in his mandala. I've also seem cham performed with Dorje Drollo being the main deity. I think other traditions also have Mahakala as the central deity. The other deities are the deities of the mandala of the main deity.

As has already been mentioned, a monastery may perform this kind of dance at any time of year if there are obstacles or problems faced by the community. They are always held on gutor, though, to clear away obstacles from the year to get ready for new year.

The use of apparently violent methods to dispel obstacles and tame unruly negative forces is prevalent in Tibetan Buddhism. I'm currently reading a book about it which you may find useful:
http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=24364

Regarding Bodhgaya, obviously, the most important part is the bodhi tree and the seat underneath where the Buddha became enlightened. There are also stone carvings of his foot prints and lotuses in a line showing where he walked. The Mahabodhi temple is an impressive structure, but not as important as the tree. I felt changed after I visited because I lost several pounds through having pretty bad diarrhea. I heard one time HH Dalai Lama was teaching in Bodhgaya. He started his teaching by saying that he didn't know if anyone would get anything out of his teaching but he was pretty sure everyone would get sick.
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