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Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Everything that makes you, you, is the result of your Environment (Society, Culture, Family, Friends, Etc), Genetics/Biology (Your brain which makes the mind possible, Inborn diseases such as Down Syndrome, or even Psociopathy, etc), Thoughts (Everything you think affects your mind, and the person you are), Speech (Same as thoughts, but words affect your environment as well), Actions (Same as Speech), and the Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Space, and Time).

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Everything that makes you, you, is the result of your Environment (Society, Culture, Family, Friends, Etc), Genetics/Biology (Your brain which makes the mind possible, Inborn diseases such as Down Syndrome, or even Psociopathy, etc), Thoughts (Everything you think affects your mind, and the person you are), Speech (Same as thoughts, but words affect your environment as well), Actions (Same as Speech), and the Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Space, and Time).

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Re: should a practicing buddhist own a gun?

Postby Truth_Seeker1989 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:15 pm

That is a little dramatic, Jason. No, what the son will see is this.

"My father was a Buddhist, who was responsible and never used his gun because there was never a time where it was a necessity. He taught me that you never harm a living being, but in defense of yourself, your family, and society."
Everything that makes you, you, is the result of your Environment (Society, Culture, Family, Friends, Etc), Genetics/Biology (Your brain which makes the mind possible, Inborn diseases such as Down Syndrome, or even Psociopathy, etc), Thoughts (Everything you think affects your mind, and the person you are), Speech (Same as thoughts, but words affect your environment as well), Actions (Same as Speech), and the Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Space, and Time).

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Postby Truth_Seeker1989 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:30 pm

Right. Be the change. But there is just no logic in saying that owning a gun will lead everyone else to become deviants. We will ALWAYS have weapons, to think otherwise is a fairy-tale dream. A nice one, but non-existent. The only change we can impact on our world is responsibility and wisdom when it comes to using them.

Or you could be the lack of change, the 'cause' of oppression and subjugation, because you simply did not have what it takes to pick up that gun, and defend society from a monster such as Hitler.

I say this, truly, with all of the respect that is possible. But if you were in a situation with one of my kids, and I was away, where you could have done something to defend them, and they got killed or injured, I would see you in prison, or branded a coward throughout society as a whole.
Everything that makes you, you, is the result of your Environment (Society, Culture, Family, Friends, Etc), Genetics/Biology (Your brain which makes the mind possible, Inborn diseases such as Down Syndrome, or even Psociopathy, etc), Thoughts (Everything you think affects your mind, and the person you are), Speech (Same as thoughts, but words affect your environment as well), Actions (Same as Speech), and the Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Space, and Time).

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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Everything that makes you, you, is the result of your Environment (Society, Culture, Family, Friends, Etc), Genetics/Biology (Your brain which makes the mind possible, Inborn diseases such as Down Syndrome, or even Psociopathy, etc), Thoughts (Everything you think affects your mind, and the person you are), Speech (Same as thoughts, but words affect your environment as well), Actions (Same as Speech), and the Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Space, and Time).

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: should a practicing buddhist own a gun?

Postby Truth_Seeker1989 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:51 pm

You do not need to blindly adhere to teachings, like Christians do the Bible, pick and choose, etc, when everything the Buddha taught was the conclusion of a logical, rational mind.

Logic. Everyone has guns, every nation has weaponry. I want one for myself to defend myself and my family, pure self defense. I will never use it except when all other options are exhausted, only when absolutely necessary.

Where is your logic? Because he said this, I must follow that? I believe the Buddha taught against that...
Everything that makes you, you, is the result of your Environment (Society, Culture, Family, Friends, Etc), Genetics/Biology (Your brain which makes the mind possible, Inborn diseases such as Down Syndrome, or even Psociopathy, etc), Thoughts (Everything you think affects your mind, and the person you are), Speech (Same as thoughts, but words affect your environment as well), Actions (Same as Speech), and the Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Space, and Time).

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Re: should a practicing buddhist own a gun?

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