Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:18 pm

that i dont know if it happens at death or not.

but i know that the Drikung Phowa tradition, the sadhana is called Jag-Tsug-Ma and it means standing blade of grass. and when you achieve accomplishment, when you put kusha grass on the top of your head, it stands there like a stick. at least the top of the head has soften or something happened there since when you stick a stick of kusha grass there, it stands by its own.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby ngodrup » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:48 pm

Not just in the Drikung P'howa.
Various Nyingma termas demonstrate this phenomenon.
One person I know practiced the Nam Cho P'howa are about 3 days
and the straw -- when it fell out of his head was wet about 1 inch, suggesting
that it was well inside his head. I've seen dozens of people at a Dudjom ter
P'howa retreat showing signs as well...

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:49 pm

a plastic straw ?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby disjointed » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:43 pm

I have read a blister on the head, itching, etc. is the sign that you've prepared the exit route so to speak.
If there is a radical inconsistency between your statements and the position you claim to hold,
you are a sock puppet.
Make as many accounts as you want; people can identify your deception with this test.

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby smcj » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:00 am

You get a pimple on your head. When it pops that's what the straw goes in.

We had a Dharma student here in L.A. that had learned the most basic form of the practice, which is meant for non-meditators. Then one day he died of a heart attack. They found him sitting up. He was bald and had a bright red spot on his head where your consciousness is supposed to exit. Evidently it worked!

As a footnote I think I should add that he was not well thought of or liked very much. In fact he was very annoying, but he had money that he would give to centers. So he was always in the middle of everything and making problems. In all honesty he drove everybody nuts. Plus he almost never actually practiced. So there's hope for us all!
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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:04 am

can anyone die without knowing. and i think phowa is actually possible also in the sipa bardo, im not 100% sure on this but since you can achieve nirmakaya liberation in the sipa bardo i would imagine that you could do phowa at that point also.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby Simon E. » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:07 am

" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

Robert V.C. Burns.

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby Simon E. » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:32 am

What happens follows from receiving the empowerment, which frequently results in a spontaneous opening of the crown ..and from perfecting the Sadhana. It does not simply happen by willpower during the death process..
First you need to find a Phowa Master.
Ayang Rinpoche is one such. There are others.
" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby Simon E. » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:40 am

Just to add I am assuming that the question is coming from a context of the Vajrayana.
The Dzogchen practice differs. But there are limits to what can be discussed about it.
" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:04 am

sipa bardo = bardo of becoming


yes , even Garchen Rinpoche says that if you have practiced phowa well then at the time of death you only need to remember amitabha and you automatically go up.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:06 am

after you master it or become sufficiently '' professional '' in it, the phowa becomes effortless and does not require effort at the time of death. it was said just few days ago in the teachings that when you are good in phowa you do not need to recite even the seed syllable of the practice. it happens automatically.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby Lhasa » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:52 pm

Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche has experienced this, he describes having the blade of grass in his crown and his teacher left it there several days. Sorry, I don't remember which book he shares this in.

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

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Re: Does Phowa create a hole in the cranium?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:12 pm

If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo


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