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Foggy mind

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Foggy mind

Postby Coyote » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:35 pm

Hi everyone,

I have noticed that during concentration meditation, when my mind starts to stop thinking unnecessary thoughts and quietens down, and a feeling of joy or bliss sets in, the mind usually feels quite foggy and not clear and precise. My question is: is this the hindrance of sloth and torpor becoming more noticeable, and therefore the mind needing more training, or could it be something else? I feel that joyous feelings actually seem to cloud the mind rather than sharpening it.
It's hard to explain, but it's like I get so focused on the feelings of bliss that any sense of concentration goes out the window. Like when you feel something so amazing that you just sit there in a stupor, not able to think properly.
Any advice or ideas about what is going wrong?

Thanks and metta,

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Re: Foggy mind

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:55 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Foggy mind

Postby marc108 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:44 pm

once the bliss comes up, what do you do then?
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Foggy mind

Postby Coyote » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:38 pm

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Re: Foggy mind

Postby marc108 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:38 pm

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Foggy mind

Postby Coyote » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:53 pm

Hi Mark108,

Thank you for the advice. As for finding a teacher, I am staying as a guest at Amaravati monastery in August, and hope to find some good meditation instruction while staying there. Until then, I will check out the authors and teachers you recommend.

Metta,

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Re: Foggy mind

Postby marc108 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:24 am

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Foggy mind

Postby farmer » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:32 pm

What happens if you try not to focus on the pleasure, but on the more neutral physical sensations of breathing?
The pleasure is still there in the background, but you direct your attention away from it -- kind of like being in a crowded room with many conversations going on, and forcing yourself to stay focused on the one person you are talking to. I find if I focus this way, my mind doesn't blur the way it does if I focus in on pleasant feeling.


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