Climate Change: We're Doomed

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Alex123 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:20 pm

Even the water melting from the snow-capped peaks can find its way to the ocean"

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Nemo » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:31 am

You really make Americans look like idiots. No on else on earth believes this corporate propaganda nonsense. How did America turn into a banana republic? Pravda had better lies than this drivel.

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Kim O'Hara » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:47 am

Alex,
I don't want to be as rude to you as Nemo just was. On the other hand, I can't see much point in continuing to respond to your objections since you still seem completely incapable of seeing how ill-founded, illogical and/or anti-scientific they are.
Why do I say "still seem"? Well, we covered all this ground exhaustively in two stupendously long threads over at the other DW -
Extreme is the New Normal‬

and
‪global warming‬


The short answer to all of your objections is that a lot of very smart people have spent their whole careers learning about our climate and they are sure about what is happening now and why it is happening, so we should shut up and pay attention.
The long answer to all your objections is in the threads I have just mentioned and I am not going to regenerate them for you. Please go and re-read them for yourself, following all the links I presented there. If you really want to learn the subject properly, sign up for a course like

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Alex123 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:25 am

Even the water melting from the snow-capped peaks can find its way to the ocean"

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Alex123 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:44 am

Even the water melting from the snow-capped peaks can find its way to the ocean"

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Wayfarer » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:43 am

Here in Australia, the recently-elected conservative has promised to abolish the recently-introduced carbon tax, and replace it with a plan which, among other things, pays the electricity industry to decrease their emissions.

It is a dreadful policy outcome, and is shaping to be the first instance in the world of a country reversing a carbon tax. And, furthermore, one that is working, and is really not causing a lot of pain - figures showed it contributed around one third of one percent to the CPI in its first 6 months, and consumers hardly notice it. Meanwhile, it really has started reducing emissions, also.

Up until three years ago, it was supported by both sides of politics. But the Conservatives housed some die-hard climate sceptics, and they sniffed an opportunity. They then started a very effective scare campaign about the Great Big New Tax on Everything. Of course they won the argument hands down, nobody wants a carbon tax, and the only reason it was going to get up in the first place was that it was meant to be a bi-partisan response to a global problem.

Anyway, the conservatives were only elected in early September, and parliament hasn't sat again yet. But their first order of business is to introduce the legislation to scrap the tax. It is a monumentally stupid and backwards thing to be doing, as the United Nations Climate Commissioner . In fact, 2013 has been Australia's hottest year and many records have been broken - hottest overall day, longest stretch of hot weather, hottest winter, hottest spring, and so on.

I think if some activist group organizes a protest outside Parliament House, I'll go and hold a placard.
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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Indrajala » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:04 am

Not so long ago the Conservative government in Canada sacked many government scientists who were charged with monitoring environmental issues, especially the oceans. Canada also pulled out of the Kyoto protocol.

I think the system simply has to crash and burn before models will actually change.

It might happen sooner rather than later:

http://ourfiniteworld.com/2013/10/23/ri ... -collapse/
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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Simon E. » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:26 am

My doctorate is not in the hard sciences, although it is posited on the scientific model ( I am an MD ).
Until recently I sat on the fence on the issue. I have never commented on it on this forum. Or indeed off line. I have kept up with latest data in a semi-detached way.
Recently the fence became uncomfortable, as fences tend to be and I wearily climbed off it.
I think the whole ' man made climate change ' hypothesis is utter bollocks.
Just that.
No further interest.
I will not sully this thread with anymore of my heresy.
I mean that. :smile:

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my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Wayfarer » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:39 am

I'm going to that National Day of Action.

I really can't fathom how people can doubt the science. I suppose it is an abject lesson in how democracy will fail the challenge of unchecked population growth. In the end, Malthus will be proven right.

But anyway. I'm going.....
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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Wayfarer » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:48 am

I don't get how the idea that you can burn hundreds of billions of gallons of hyrdocarbons and NOT affect the composition of the atmosphere, is a hard to understand.

After all humans almost single-handedly have wiped out thousand of species of animals, plants and fish.

We've encircled the entire planet with junk:

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Filled up the ocean with plastic debris:

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How is the fact that we are changing the composition of the atmosphere hard to understand? What is so difficult to get about it? You put sensors up, you make measurements, and you see that the composition of the atmosphere has been changed by human activities. It is something that is not very hard to measure.

It's not rocket science. IT'S JUST SCIENCE!!
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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby oushi » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:56 am


Just to reveal some principles that are not taken into consideration in climate change debates.
Say what you think about me

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Wayfarer » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:24 am

psychopaths never worry, either.
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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby oushi » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:57 am

Say what you think about me

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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Wayfarer » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:56 am

I was commenting specifically on that skit.

I think we have a civic duty to be concerned about this topic, but I have said my piece, and will refrain from further comment on it.
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Re: Climate Change: We're Doomed

Postby Alex123 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:34 am

Even the water melting from the snow-capped peaks can find its way to the ocean"

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