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Buddhism Fundamentalism?

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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun May 20, 2012 6:30 pm

Back to the OP I think there are two primary definitions of fundamentalism; one is a strong attachment to a view, but the other and the definition I prefer is one who holds rigidly to the literal word of scripture.

We see this in Buddhism as well as in other religions. Some will take the literal words of the passages in the Suttas and other Buddhist writings and just like creationists, still cling to them even after there might be scientific evidence showing that it is not possible. Two examples are talking nagas, the 32 marks of a great man.

Some will use a fundamentalist-literal reading for example, to deny women to fully ordain as bhikkhunis when there are many passages and teachings which convey the spirit of the teachings and of course encourage the holy life for all, including women. But a fundamentalist (in my opinion) will hold that all that matters is the literal word; they completely ignore the spirit of the teachings.
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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

Postby Alex123 » Sun May 20, 2012 7:15 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun May 20, 2012 8:37 pm

Hi manas,

Good post. I wouldn't consider being open to such things a fundamentalist. It is more along the line of those who insist on some literal things and where it can be a detriment to normal dialogue or to the rest of the community in some way, such as the case with the bhikkhuni issue.

I was somewhat skeptical about beings passing through walls and other super normal feats in the past, but found out that scientists are actually working on experiments where they have observed tiny, tiny particles passing through solid objects. An open mind is good.
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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

Postby alan » Mon May 21, 2012 6:14 pm

The Sutta is clear, it's meaning is obvious. Anyone can read it! Why, then is this even an issue?
I don't see any point of debate.

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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

Postby Dan74 » Mon May 21, 2012 9:16 pm

Are you sure? How about the one that says whatsoever is well-spoken is the word of the Tathagata? (Uttaravipatti Sutta)

How about the advice to Kalamas?

I don't sense this kind of a literalism from ready the Sutta Pitaka elsewhere. As was often be the case, the teaching was probably given as a response to a situation.

It seems kind of strange that first you ask to "Discuss" and then you say that there is "no point in debate". I am lost.
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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

Postby alan » Tue May 22, 2012 4:40 pm

Sorry, Dan, I should have been more clear. When I said 'discuss" I was meaning something along the lines of
'think about the ramifications of misunderstanding this". Or 'Isn't this such an obvious thing that there is really no way to deny it?". I should have written a longer, more specific post, keeping my audience in mind.
Not familiar with the Uttaravipatti Sutta, but I can speak to the idea that the teachings should be taken in context. Not all teachings are given in response to a situation: some of them are direct statements. That's why, for all the obvious differences between traditions, we can all agree on a few basic things. You can call me a fundamentalist: I'm of the opinion that if the Buddha makes a direct statement, it should be considered as the truth. When he elaborates, and points out specifically why you should do this, but not do that, I'll take it as true. Don't misinterpret my words, he said. Ok. I'll accept that as a definite, not something up to debate.

As for the Kalamas, yes, that was in response to a situation. But the meaning is not entirely clear, not enough is known about the background. It is way too often used to support viewpoints that are otherwise contradicted in the Suttas.

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Re: Buddhism Fundamentalism?

Postby Dan74 » Tue May 22, 2012 9:15 pm

Thanks for clarifying, alan.
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