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 Post subject: simple shrines
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:25 pm 
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To all hardcore Tibetan Buddhists:

I have two semi-elaborate shrines in my tiny apartment's living room. My wife is not crazy about the fact that our one common area is a defacto shrine room, making it awkward to invite friends over who simply would not understand. So I am open now to trying to simplify the set up. One thing we will be using is an old traditional antique lacquer Japanese shrine cabinet that is being given to us.. which will make it easy to have the best statues, etc. represented within, and have it open all of the time except when guests come over. However there is not enough space there for all of the peaceful and wrathful waterbowl offerings to fit, and permanent tormas, etc. SO I will still need a secondary shrine which I could cover with a screen when guests come over if need be. I also have 3 big thangkas which are framed in western style and I think can still adorn the walls without it being too shrine-y. That all said, I do have an admiration for the paired-down shrines which Trungpa Rinpoche developed in his community, influenced by the Zen Buddhist aesthetic somewhat. And I realize ChNN promotes the bare essential of a framed white A and tigle. But I have been instructed by one of my Lamas to have an elaborate set-up, and to do many of the pujas I regularly do kind of need one. But I am not really on board aesthetically with the Tibetan style of excessive pomp-- I have just mirrored it in order to maintain the tradition as it has been transmitted to me.

I am wondering what people's personal experiences and views are regarding more modern or creative ways of constructing and keeping a shrine, and also the tension of simplicity vs. function and social norms vs. practice requirements and devotional evocations. Of course, many of you might have large enough homes or apartments to have separate shrine rooms and not need to wrangle with these concerns.. but many others of you may be able to relate!

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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Well, it could be worse, you could be into this:


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Notice, Elvis' halo is just a little brighter than that of Jesus.

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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Malcolm wrote:
Well, it could be worse, you could be into this:


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Notice, Elvis' halo is just a little brighter than that of Jesus.


Well I came close: there is a "velvis" (velvet elvis) obsession at the college I attended, -which is an elaborate borderline criminal version of capture the flag that has continued for decades. . . I wonder which housing unit is now holding the bounty, in perpetual fear of marauders.

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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I have pics of a few Lamas hanging in my living room....but aside from that, all my accumulated dharma debris resides in my detached garden shred, known formally as the Lhakang in the back yard. No one gets in without a special pass. On pain of death. Or something like that.

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I have pics of a few Lamas hanging in my living room....but aside from that, all my accumulated dharma debris resides in my detached garden shred, known formally as the Lhakang in the back yard. No one gets in without a special pass. On pain of death. Or something like that.


Yeah I remember you sharing pics of that-- great setup and I would do it also if I had any land. But I am an urbanite who rents a tiny apartment unit. . .

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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What? No Khatags over the the Jesus-Elvis yab-yab thangka? ;)

Seriously, for a public space I kinda like the shambhala type shrine--
one deity or lama, a mirror, a faceted crystal and crystal ball, maybe
a dar-dar, some candles, a text. What else do you need?

In private, of course, go all out with tormas etc....


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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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Bigger house?
(wonders how poor monks living 4 per closet manage)

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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Personally I have a shrine that has a lot statues and pictures, including deities and things that may confuse people. Though technically most of it would be okay for public eyes (other than some HYT deity and Dharmapala images I have in a separate, covered part) I did often find myself uncomfortable or not in the mood to explain certain things. So I put up one of those Tibetan door curtains over the front that I just move out of the way for practice, and now I don't need to worry what people think or see. Most important is to set it up in a way that inspires you, and then work on a nice way to cause a partition if you need to.


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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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Adamantine, :namaste:

You can also consider to make a hanging on the wall cabinet, cupboard decorated by yourself in accordance with your practice statues and so on, which you can close in case your shrine should give some misunderstanding by visitors.
Mini temple. :smile:

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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personally, my i live in one room, and even my previous apartment was one room nothing more. and that is my shrine room, and i dont take visitors in there.

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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KonchokZoepa wrote:
personally, my i live in one room, and even my previous apartment was one room nothing more. and that is my shrine room, and i dont take visitors in there.


oops, I was just going to visit you. :smile:

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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Easy...don't invite anyone over.....


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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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muni wrote:
KonchokZoepa wrote:
personally, my i live in one room, and even my previous apartment was one room nothing more. and that is my shrine room, and i dont take visitors in there.


oops, I was just going to visit you. :smile:


Dharma practitioners are most welcome. the thing is that where i live there is no dharma practitioners living close to me.

well you just visited, you are in my room in the cybernet. :applause:

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simple shrine is no shrine. keep a book and mala on your nightstand.
that is my setup.


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winstonsalem wrote:
simple shrine is no shrine. keep a book and mala on your nightstand.
that is my setup.


nightstand, very fancy. I currently use a cardboard box.

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futerko wrote:
winstonsalem wrote:
simple shrine is no shrine. keep a book and mala on your nightstand.
that is my setup.


nightstand, very fancy. I currently use a cardboard box.


related:

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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I been taught that a simple altar is a representation of body, speech and mind and then it is complete. So a statue, a text and a crystal or a stupa. If you have no space you can just light a candle and some incense.

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 Post subject: Re: simple shrines
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isnt vajra and bell ok instead of a stupa? doesnt it represent the same thing basically.

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I been taught that a simple altar is a representation of body, speech and mind and then it is complete. So a statue, a text and a crystal or a stupa. If you have no space you can just light a candle and some incense.

/magnus


Interesting, thanks.

Jikan, I saw that thread and photos, very nice setup (and nice beard too ;) ).

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KonchokZoepa wrote:
isnt vajra and bell ok instead of a stupa? doesnt it represent the same thing basically.


I am not sure about that.

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