Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:00 pm

What's the difference between a "cult", and just an obnoxious group that one doesn't like?

I mean, the line gets pretty blurry in places.

I see so much "anti-cult" stuff out there, but really..doesn't one need more than just cheezy behavior to throw that term around?
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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby disjointed » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:12 pm

Ah, good, then I can tell an abbreviated version of my story.

Before I was an adult I left my family to live with a Buddhist cult that I thought was legitimate.
When I got there the guru laid out rules that I thought were legitimate and insisted I cut off ties with others in order to live with them and practice dharma.
He must of liked me because he used me as his interim for the rest of the group.
The idea that I was special was like a collar and the idea that he was special was the basis for my being special so I defended him.
He used drugs on me a lot, calling them sacraments and I can remember blacking out, crawling around on the ground throwing up.
I'm fairly certain I was drug raped, the gaps in my memory are significant, sometimes spanning several days.
Many people died before I was involved. One young man died while experiencing a frightening hallucination from a drug mixture he was given while I was involved.
People were held against their will when they were "possessed", possessed because the objected to something the guru did.
The cult leader was never made responsible for this because everyone involved covered up for him and it was just considered an overdose.
He used other people to run drugs.
He presented himself as a terton and told us that other lamas had validated his termas.
What he taught was a fusion of shamanism and Vajrayana, relying a lot on hallucinogens with his close group while his primary sources of support were from cocaine, pills, and marijuana whom he lent followers as free labor to.
He was very prohibitive of learning from other teachers and instead taught basically only stories of Tilopa and Naropa. Anything that validated him and prevented people from questioning.

I spent almost a year of my life living in a drug den, when I left I had PTSD and spent some time homeless because I had cut myself off from everyone else like he told me.
Other people involved dropped off like flies and were replaced by new members. A constant new supply of seekers and the "well if you don't like it leave" meant that the victims felt like it was their choice to be abused and the new members(sycophants) defended the cult in the same way we had in the past. When I tried to warn new people they tried to discredit me by saying I was a hysterical stalker of the guru. I get apology letters still from people who have survived the cult.

Meanwhile, Sakya Trizen, like yourself Malcolm, did nothing to warn people about this cult using his name to validate itself, nor did he respond to people trying to verify the cult leader's claims.
Because it wasn't his problem apparently and or because he had no understanding of the lives that were unnecessarily being ended and twisted by his complacency when all it required was a single warning with his signature.
And that's why I asked you if you were ever the victim of a cult.

And because it took me years to be deprogrammed by dissecting the manipulative tactics used on me I am quick to recognize them and point them out when I see them.
Interestingly enough, there have actually been dozens, or maybe even hundreds of similar Vajrayana cults in America. The scope of this problem is baffling.
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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby dzogchungpa » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:20 pm

What group are you talking about?
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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby disjointed » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:20 pm

I tried to verify this cult leader's credibility by contacting lamas he said were his teachers before I joined. But they never responded. I couldn't find anything except for old students he told me were just bad eggs to indicate something was wrong. By the time I moved into the community there was always the threat of being kicked out if I didn't agree.
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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby heart » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:22 pm

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby disjointed » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:46 pm

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby Malcolm » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:46 pm





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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby Karma Dorje » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:02 pm

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:04 pm

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby smcj » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:11 pm

Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby Karma Dorje » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:16 pm

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby heart » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:20 pm

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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby Malcolm » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:21 pm





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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby disjointed » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:24 pm

KD, there is a fair amount of online information on the cult I mentioned now. Though Sakya Trizen still has not done ANYTHING to discredit it.

Ivo, it is good that you have returned and responded as you have.
Because now I can ask you, as a human, what makes you more qualified than your teachers and what makes you a worthy receptacle of termas as opposed to the other people in this forum.

Why are you better?
What makes you special?
What reasonings can you provide for your superiority over the rest of Nyingma that doesn't recognize the gift you have sacrificed your comfort to give to the world?
Why do you know better than everyone else what is dharma and what is not?

It's easy enough to use double speak.
Feign humility when confronted with your claims of superiority.
Why I'm just a lowly run of the mill terton who knows better than all my Nyingma teachers and I have the deepest respect for everything they taught me even though it is not applicable to this era and needs to be replaced with the better stuff I'm revealing.
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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby Malcolm » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:30 pm





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Re: Lama Ivo Kalushev of Bulgaria

Postby heart » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:39 pm

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