well i am not good at typing . please indulge me and forgive me for typos .
First of all , I am a Bhikshu , so thatestablishes some context for any contributions i will make to this discussion.
If western people ( and probably most of the people saying this are from western Vajrayna style centers.)see lots of neurotic monks. Its because these monks and nuns , have not been traained , because there are very very few places for them to train . And secondly , in light of this , their position is almost untenable ,they become a focus of lay peoples attention and criticism , with very little support, from said persons. Also very very little support, respect, or training from many tibetan s who come here to teach .
Contrary to Malcolm , a big contrary , big contrary , if you want lots of half baked teachers , you will not support the establisment of a strong monastic order in the west.
If you wants lots of god teachers , and also lots of good western teachers who can preserve and perpetuate here in this partb of the world in western languages to western people , for western people , then you MUST MUST MUST support a WESTERN SANGHA run by western people , trained by WEstern monastics
look at my website:www.bc-vinaya.com
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