Red Chenrezig - NOT Gyalwa Gyatso

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Red Chenrezig - NOT Gyalwa Gyatso

Postby Palzang Jangchub » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:10 pm

There is another red form of Chenrezig known as Khorwa Dongtruk (sometimes written "Korwa Tongtrug"). He is usually depicted with two arms, and is standing. It was the empowerment of this form that HH the 17th Gyalwang Karmapa gave to 20,000 disciples who congregated at Tsurphu a day or two after he was enthroned and his hair was cut at the Jokhang in front of the Jowo Rinpoche.

Does anyone have detailed information on this manifestation of Avalokita?

Thus far I've been able to ascertain that it was Thangtong Gyalpo who gave the wang, lung, and tri of Guru Chöwang's terma to the 6th Karmapa, Thongwa Dönden. Apparently this occurred only after some of the monks at the Great Encampment had attempted to stone Thangtong to death and failed, upon which he was ushered into the Karmapa's personal tent.
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Re: Red Chenrezig - NOT Gyalwa Gyatso

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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Postby Palzang Jangchub » Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:42 pm

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"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme


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Re: Red Chenrezig - NOT Gyalwa Gyatso

Postby conebeckham » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:11 pm

The one that's commonly done by Karma Kagyu Lamas for Jangchog (death ritual) is Chogling's Khorwa Dongdruk. You'll find the sadhana and the jangchog ritual text in most Karma Kagyu monasteries' "Collected Prayers" or "ShelDon."

You should ask a Lama to give the empowerment.


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Postby smcj » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:18 pm

Don't take me too seriously.

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Postby conebeckham » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:58 pm

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It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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Re: Red Chenrezig - NOT Gyalwa Gyatso

Postby Palzang Jangchub » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:03 pm

Any difference between Khorwa Dondrup and Khorwa Dongtruk, or is it just a matter of transliteration?
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Postby Palzang Jangchub » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:36 pm

Protection amulet? Liberation Upon Seeing?

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Re: Red Chenrezig - NOT Gyalwa Gyatso

Postby conebeckham » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:51 pm

It's" DongDruk".....'khor ba dong sprugs in Wylie.


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Postby Palzang Jangchub » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:28 pm

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"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme


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Re: Red Chenrezig - NOT Gyalwa Gyatso

Postby Dhondrub » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:46 pm

I should have a pdf somewhere with english translation, but it goes without saying that you need Wang, Lung and Tri.

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Re: Red Chenrezig - NOT Gyalwa Gyatso

Postby conebeckham » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:49 pm

Ya, it's common to see mistakes in phoneticized Tibetan.....even in Sanskrit. My personal favorite is "Chakrasambhava" --

Regarding "DongDruk" or "Tongtruk"--The non-aspirated first-column labial, "pa," really becomes more like a first-column non-aspirated dental "ta" with the cerebral retroflex, when the "ra-tag" is added...but it's then "protected" by the "ngonjuk" (prefix) "Sa." So it becomes more of a "Dr" sound than a "Tr" sound...to non-Tibetan ears, at least.


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It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Red Chenrezig - NOT Gyalwa Gyatso

Postby Karma Dorje » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:21 pm

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"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Postby conebeckham » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:53 pm

Yep, Magnus.


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Postby Palzang Jangchub » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:16 pm

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Postby Palzang Jangchub » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:46 am

From the cover of ChNNR's book on the practice of Tertön Adzom Drukpa:

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"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)


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