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Re: blocking realization

Postby Malcolm » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:44 pm

duffster1 wrote:I heard Chogyal Namkhai Noru Rinpoche say at the webcast today that everyone has the potential to realize rainbow body and then he said that one can block that potential and then one has no possibility of realizing it in this life?Is it possible to block one's possibility of having realization for their entire life?


Yes. It is called "having huge misconceptions about the teachings".
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Re: blocking realization

Postby padma norbu » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:13 pm

Malcolm wrote:
duffster1 wrote:I heard Chogyal Namkhai Noru Rinpoche say at the webcast today that everyone has the potential to realize rainbow body and then he said that one can block that potential and then one has no possibility of realizing it in this life?Is it possible to block one's possibility of having realization for their entire life?


Yes. It is called "having huge misconceptions about the teachings".


HA! That's pretty much what I was thinking it was, too. If you're attached to the wrong point of view, you are definitely blocking yourself. Nobody else is blocking you.
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Re: blocking realization

Postby ngodrup » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:37 pm

I have heard it said that the great Jamgon Mipham did not accomplish rainbow body
mainly because he was engaged in writing many books. I heard a similar question asked
of the Mindrolling Khenpo about who (among hidden yogis) can accomplish rainbow body.
The point of the question then was "cannot any serious and sincere practitioner complete
their practice?"
He said those who have no worldly concerns are the ones and added that nobody's likely
to meet them since they stay in retreat.
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Re: blocking realization

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:09 pm

so goodbye rainbow body for westerners who are bound to live amongst society...?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

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Re: blocking realization

Postby T. Chokyi » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:13 pm

KonchokZoepa wrote:so goodbye rainbow body for westerners who are bound to live amongst society...?


CHNN does not say we should think rainbow body is not possible, but he does show us what we do habitually that can cause us to block ourselves. He says to go beyond limitation, so one must begin to see what ones own limitations truly are. If you can be in your nature and integrate that state with everything you do including being in society what is the problem?
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Re: blocking realization

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:18 pm

i guess no problem
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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Re: blocking realization

Postby T. Chokyi » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:31 pm

KonchokZoepa wrote:i guess no problem


Rinpoche says to do our best. There isn't any kind of heavy "expectations".
Working with circumstance he stresses.
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Re: blocking realization

Postby Pero » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:44 pm

KonchokZoepa wrote:so goodbye rainbow body for westerners who are bound to live amongst society...?

Yes, if you have the usual Western lifestyle, pretty much. Unless you're some kind of Dharma freak or something I guess. I wouldn't count on it though.
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Re: blocking realization

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:14 pm

You are really not providing enough information.
Do you have a transcript of his teaching,
can you provide a link to a video,
or can you elaborate more on the context?
'Blockage' can mean all sorts of things.
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Re: blocking realization

Postby futerko » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:14 am

I wouldn't sweat to much about setting goals or whether you will achieve anything or not. That sort of thinking is not conducive to practice.
we cannot get rid of God because we still believe in grammar - Nietzsche
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