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Rare human incarnation

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Rare human incarnation

Postby greggorious » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:22 pm

If it's so rare and precious to be born a human being, how does the vastly increasing human population on the planet explain this?
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Rare human incarnation

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby greggorious » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:33 pm

So as humans are evolving on a physical level are we also evolving on a spiritual level?
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Rare human incarnation

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby santa100 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:50 pm

There's no contradiction with what the Buddha said if we put our view of human race in a cosmic perspective: we're certainly not the only "humans" in this vast universe and there's nothing that stops humans from other "earths" from taking rebirth on "our" earth. So it's quite possible that a catastrophic event happens to some planet earth out there in a different solar system or a different galaxy, that wipes out the population there. Since they still have kamma, they'll find ways to "re-distribute" themselves onto our earths or any other earths with compatible kammic conditions..

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby greggorious » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:25 pm

So we're only evolving physically then? Not mentally or spiritually? Is this cos there's scientific evidence for the former? If so then I want to see the scientific evidence of the six realms of existence and of re-birth in general.
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby icyteru » Tue May 08, 2012 6:16 am

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby polarbear101 » Tue May 08, 2012 6:43 am

It's due entirely to phenomenon explained by the statistical theory of randomness, it's just that we don't have all the numbers we need to prove it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness
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"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Rare human incarnation

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby dharmapasschakra » Tue May 08, 2012 10:56 am

why does the incarnation of your body matter? it's nothing to do with you.

your body is not you.

if you happen to be contained in the body of a cow in the next life the shape and form of you will be still exactly the same.

you rides a Ford for 1 min, get out and get in a Benz for 1 min.

you rides a Benz for 1 min, get out and get in a Lexus for 1 min.

your cars look different and work different.

however, there is only one driver it's you.

you will be very likely riding a bicycle in the next life.

but don't worry, still you can go groceries as much as your Benz, Ford or Lexus did.

cow life, ant life, dog life, cat life and whale life.

every bit of those sentient beings do the exactly enough functions as a human body/an alien physical body will.

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Re: Rare human incarnation

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby polarbear101 » Tue May 08, 2012 11:32 am

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Rare human incarnation

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby manas » Tue May 08, 2012 2:42 pm

hi greg,

as I understand it, beings can pass away from one place in the universe, and reappear in another many light years away or whatever - the sum total of all beings is not just on this planet Earth; the Universe (or Universes) are UNLIMITED. I mean, could there possibly be a limit somewhere? If so, what would be beyond the boundary? So as far as I know, there are unlimited numbers of worlds, and thus unlimited numbers of beings spread throughout those worlds. Therefore - the total number of beings on this particular planet can go up, or down, or even disappear - that's all fine, any beings seeking birth would just reappear elsewhere. (I'm assuming that human beings also exist elsewhere - and considering that infinity is quite a large number, I don't think that's a bad assumption to make).

:anjali:
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Rare human incarnation

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby greggorious » Tue May 08, 2012 9:41 pm

I agree Mr Man. I find Buddhism can contradict itself sometimes, saying that we shouldn't speculate yet there's still much speculation backed up with no evidence too.
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Rare human incarnation

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Re: Rare human incarnation

Postby greggorious » Tue May 08, 2012 11:33 pm

What the? Is that some kind of Theravada Koan? lol
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Rare human incarnation

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Re: Rare human incarnation

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