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How to deal with accusations against my practices

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How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby mongaloid502 » Mon May 07, 2012 5:28 pm

Hi,

I have recently begun to investigate the world of Buddhism and found the benefits of meditation to be profound!(both spiritually and merely in terms of mood/everyday life outlook)
My (christian) parents and friends however seem to be taking issue with my new found practices and to be honest I don't really know how to answer them . I know I shouldn't be worried about what other people think, but the questions they ask are beginning to stir doubt in my own mind. Their accusations of Buddhism are that it is only attractive because:

1) by belonging to it you can touch the infinite
2) you can have joy without concrete religious obligations.

Can anyone help me to understand these claims?
Thanks!

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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby polarbear101 » Mon May 07, 2012 5:34 pm

I think you should tell them that 1) doesn't even really make sense and that 2) well, what''s wrong with 2. Do your parents only want you to have joy if it's bound up in religious obligations?
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Mon May 07, 2012 6:44 pm

Your best possible course of action is to remain polite, compassionate, and kind. The best advertisement for the positive nature of your practice is your demeanor when faced with this criticism.

I too come from a non-supportive Christian family. Realize that you've discovered a wonderful opportunity in the Dhamma and try to have compassion for those who persist in delusion. Try and explain your practice if you can, but if they won't listen, then just go on your own and wait for them to see the change it brings in your life.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby cooran » Mon May 07, 2012 7:51 pm

Hello M,

Show them that Christians meditate also:

Christian Meditation Australia
http://www.christianmeditationaustralia.org/

with metta
Chris
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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby rowboat » Mon May 07, 2012 10:55 pm

Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
Ud 5.5

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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby nobody12345 » Tue May 08, 2012 12:44 am

The strategy could be 2 folds.
One is developing Metta (friendliness/loving kindness/ compassion and etc.).
The other is developing equanimity.
By developing Metta, one should try to develop the quality that is noble and wholesome.
Action speaks louder than words.
By developing equanimity, one also needs to be able to stay aloof and detached when it is proper to do so.
When the Buddha discussed the method of removing of unwanted thoughts/grudges, he mentioned when all the possible strategies is not working, then one should direct attention from that object and not give any further attention to it.
Many times, by living the proper life style of the Buddhist, one can gain some respect from the people who see the Buddhism as something suspicious.
However, in some cases, there are people who hate the Buddhism/Buddhists no matter what.
For those occasions, one also needs to develop the skill of staying aloof/detached.
Don't partake in their meal of negative mental proliferations.
Just remind yourself that those men and women are the owners of their own Kamma so let them own up to it, not you.
Don't get involved.
Let them be.
ps: Both of the strategies need to be developed especially if you are living in the environment that is hostile to the Dhamma/Buddhism such as a fundamental, evangelical Christian community/culture.
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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby retrofuturist » Tue May 08, 2012 12:50 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby nobody12345 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:09 am

If I may add one more thing about the subject of religions/ infinity/ and etc.
It's more likely you cannot have productive arguments with others regarding the such matters.
Especially when you are arguing with fundamental Christians, it doesn't matter who has better logic and reasoning.
It all comes down to the motto of all the religions (minus true Buddhism) that you should 'believe' first then God will give you the salvation.
Just skip the whole arguments.
Most cases, it's unbeneficial to argue or reason with them.
Your life is precious and you don't have that much time to live.
How long do we live?
80 years? 90 years? 100 years?
Let them argue and speculate things forever and ever.
We got better things to do such as practicing Dhamma so we can accomplish THE ultimate prison break once and for all.

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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby Kamran » Tue May 08, 2012 1:40 am

You may want to point out classical Christian meditation books like St. John of the Cross’ The Dark Night of
The Soul. It is my understanding that Christian stages of meditation are mapped out remarkably similar to the Buddhist in their fundamentals.
"Silence gives answers"

Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi

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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby Sokehi » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:25 pm

Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko


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Re: How to deal with accusations against my practices

Postby cooran » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:26 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Postby Doshin » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:32 am

Knowing about dhamma, does not imply knowing dhamma

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