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The most funny part of enlightenment is. It's not needed, af

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The most funny part of enlightenment is. It's not needed, af

Postby dharmapasschakra » Sun May 06, 2012 5:52 pm

When you got enlightened you simply realize that enlightened or not does not give anything spiritually better or worse.

It's like this.

You ran 10 km marathon without drinking any water at all, and extremely desperate for a bottle of water.

You look for it everywhere and no one got any mysteriously.

Finally there is a tent built on a yard which says "Free Water Bottles"

And you get into the tent with eager mind and immediately you drop the water bottle which was held in your hand through the whole time since your thirst started to develop.

You have been actually holding it by your hand but because of the extreme desire for it, you couldn't see.

In this story, WATER = ENLIGHTENMENT.

Through the whole time frame of this thirsty man's story it doesn't matter, at which point, drinking your water in your hand or the bottle in the tent.

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Re: The most funny part of enlightenment is. It's not needed, af

Postby polarbear101 » Sun May 06, 2012 6:41 pm

It's like this.

You ran 10 km marathon without drinking any water at all, and extremely desperate for a bottle of water.

You look for it everywhere because you know you have one but your pants also happen to have 10 billion pockets that it could be in and no one else on earth has any water for you mysteriously.

Finally there is a tent built on a yard which says "Free Water Bottles"

but the tent is a hoax, so you decide to meditate until until your memory of where the water bottle is in those 10 billion pockets comes to mind

Usually you die before you ever find the water bottle but every once in a while someone finds it

In this story, WATER = ENLIGHTENMENT.

Through the whole time frame of this thirsty man's story it doesn't matter, what matters is finding the right pocket.
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"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: The most funny part of enlightenment is. It's not needed, af

Postby Jaidyn » Sun May 06, 2012 6:54 pm

:tongue:

"[N]ot needed" once we finally perceive it (enlightenment) but worth looking for when we still do not have it/perceive it?

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Re: The most funny part of enlightenment is. It's not needed, af

Postby dharmapasschakra » Sun May 06, 2012 7:24 pm

Through the whole time frame of this thirsty man's story it doesn't matter, what matters is finding the right pocket.[/quote]


have question.

what happens when you don't find right pocket?

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Re: The most funny part of enlightenment is. It's not needed, af

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Postby polarbear101 » Sun May 06, 2012 7:32 pm

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Postby polarbear101 » Sun May 06, 2012 8:54 pm

I don't have any position on rebirth one way or the other, I'm suspending belief awaiting proof
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: The most funny part of enlightenment is. It's not needed, af

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Postby ground » Mon May 07, 2012 6:43 am

"It" is not needed, yes.

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Re: The most funny part of enlightenment is. It's not needed, af

Postby dharmapasschakra » Mon May 07, 2012 10:38 am

Look, when I sit in meditation my mind is at its clearest. It is more meaningful to perceive things as they are rather than chase fantasies, isn't it?






do you realize this statement includes the exact intention of my "NOT NEEDED BLAH" statement?

people follows enlightenment fantasies while they already got one.

if you disagree. that's still fine. if i just name you paul it doesn't make your brain call yourself paul. you're dan already.

if you've just realized i was saying the same thing on that particular statement the logic of "NOT NEEDED BLAH" should appear more clear to you. you just experienced it.

since you're not into those rat race actually not much to be said.

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Re: The most funny part of enlightenment is. It's not needed, af

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Mon May 07, 2012 10:44 am

Hi dharmapasschakra,

What is your aim here? Are you trying to disabuse us of the notion that our practice is efficacious? Are you trying to show us a better way? I'm interested in discovering your method for the eradication of suffering and if you even think such a goal is attainable.
To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
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