Do Buddhist believe in god?

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Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Buddha » Sat May 05, 2012 9:52 pm

Im really curious about this,did buddha and buddhist beleave in exsistance of god
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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby polarbear101 » Sat May 05, 2012 9:55 pm

Not in the way you're probably thinking about it. There is no master or creator of all in buddhism.

some quotes

“He perceives the Overlord as the Overlord. Having perceived the Overlord as the Overlord, he conceives the Overlord, he conceives [himself] in the Overlord, he conceives [himself apart] from the Overlord, he conceives the Overlord to be ‘mine,’ he delights in the Overlord. Why is that? Because he has not fully understood it, I say."
(Majjhima Nikaya 1)

If God (Brahma) is Lord of all the world
and creator of all life,
why did he give the world
so many sorrows?
Why did he not create
all the world happy?

If God (Brahma) is Lord of all the world
and creator of all life,
why did he create
so much deceit, injustice and lies
and fraud in the world?

If God (Brahma) is Lord of all the world
and creator of all life,
then this Lord is evil,
since he created injustice
where he could have created justice.
(Jataka 2, 22, 936–38, Kare translation)

The Blessed One said: "On one occasion recently I was staying in Ukkattha in the Subhaga forest at the root of a royal sala tree. Now on that occasion an evil viewpoint had arisen to Baka-Brahma: 'This is constant. This is permanent. This is eternal. This is total. This is not subject to falling away — for this does not take birth, does not age, does not die, does not fall away, does not reappear. And there is no other, higher escape.'..

..."When this was said, I told Baka Brahma, 'How immersed in ignorance is Baka Brahma! How immersed in ignorance is Baka Brahma!...
(Majjhima Nikaya 49: Brahma-nimantanika Sutta)

To begin with, he considers thus: 'Firstly this mentality-materiality
is not causeless, because if that were so, it would follow that [having no
causes to differentiate it,] it would be identical everywhere always and
for all. It has no Overlord, etc., because of the non-existence of any
Overlord, etc. (Ch. XVI, §85), over and above mentality-materiality. And
because, if people then argue that mentality-materiality itself is its Over-
lord, etc., then it follows that their mentality-materiality, which they call
the Overlord, etc., would itself be causeless. Consequently there must be
a cause and a condition for it.'
(Visuddhimagga, Ch. XIX, §3)

'As far as the suns and moons extend their courses and the regions of the sky shine in splendour, there is a thousandfold world system. In each single one of these there are a thousand suns, moons, Meru Mountains, four times a thousand continents and oceans, a thousand heavens of all stages of the realm of sense pleasure, a thousand Brahma worlds. As far as a thousandfold world system reaches in other words, the universe], the Great God is the highest being. But even the Great God is subject to coming-to-be and ceasing-to-be.'
(Anguttara-Nikaya X 29)

"God truthfully answers [the questions of the Buddha] in succession: 'Good sir, those views I previously held are not mine; I see the radiance the world of God as passing; how could I say that I am permanent and eternal?'"
(Majjhima Nikaya 83)

"There are some ascetics and brahmins who declare as their doctrine that all things began with the creation by God, or Brahma."
(Digha Nikaya 24)

"That Worshipful God, the Great God, the Omnipotent, the Omniscient, the Organizer, the Protection, the Creator, the Most Perfect Ruler, the Designer and Orderer, the Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be, He by Whom we were created, He is permanent, Constant, Eternal, Unchanging, and He will remain so for ever and ever."

"Again, monks, I [the Buddha] approached those ascetic and brahmins and said to them: 'Is it true, as they say, that you venerable ones teach and hold the view that whatever a person experiences...all that is caused by God's creation?' When they affirmed it, I said to them: 'If that is so, venerable sirs, then it is due to God's creation that people kill, steal ...[and otherwise act badly][/b]. But those who have recourse to God's creation as the decisive factor, will lack the impulse and the effort doing this or not doing that. Since for them, really and truly, no (motive) obtains that this or that ought to be done or not be done...."'[/b]
(Anguttara Nikaya 3.61)

"If the pleasure and pain that beings feel are caused the creative act of a Supreme God [Issara-nimmana-hetu], then the Niganthas [Jains] surely must have been created by an evil Supreme God."
(MajjhimaNikaya II 222)

"The universe is without a refuge, without a Supreme God."
(Majjhima Nikaya II 68)

"He who eyes can see the sickening sight, why does not God set his creatures right? If his wide power no limits can restrain, why is his hand so rarely spread to bless? Why are his creatures all condemned to pain? Why does he not to all give happiness? Why do fraud, lies, and ignorance prevail? Why triumphs falsehood, - truth and justice fail? I count your God unjust in making a world in which to shelter wrong."
(J VI 208)

"If God designs the life of the entire world -- the glory and the misery, the good and the evil acts, man is but an instrument of his will and God alone is responsible."
(J V.238)

"Bhikkhus [monks, the Buddha said, holding a fleck of dung on his fingernail], if even if that much of permanent, everlasting, eternal individual selfhood/metaphysical being (attabhava), not inseparable from the idea of change, could be found, then this living the holy life could not be taught by me."
(Samyutta Nikaya III 144)

"The assumption that a God is the cause (of the world, etc.) is based on the false belief in the eternal self (atman, i.e. permanent spiritual substance, essence or personality); but that belief has to be abandoned, if one has clearly understood that everything is impermanent and subject to suffering."
(Abhidharmakosha 5, 8 vol IV, p 19)

The above quotes posted by retro and tilt in this topic:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=11401
(Thank you retro and tilt)

And here is another from the Buddha:

“If one could obtain things by prayer or vows, who would not obtain them? For a noble disciple, householder, who wishes to have a long life, it is not befitting that he should pray for a long life or take delight in so doing. He should rather follow a path of life that is conducive to longevity. For a noble disciple, householder, who wishes to have beauty, happiness, fame and rebirth in heaven, it is not befitting that he should pray for them or take delight in so doing. He should rather follow a path that is conducive to those things.”
Anguttara Nikaya 5.43
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby cooran » Sat May 05, 2012 9:57 pm

This might be helpful:

The Buddhist Attitude to God by by Dr V. A. Gunasekara
CONTENTS
1. Introduction
2. Buddhism as a Non-Theistic religion
3. The Notion of God
4. The Buddhist View of God
5. The God-Concept and Buddhism

http://www.budsas.org/ebud/ebdha068.htm
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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Kim OHara » Sat May 05, 2012 10:53 pm

You might like to read this thread, too:


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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Buckwheat » Sat May 05, 2012 11:11 pm

Also, it depends on if you meant "did the Buddha teach that there is a monotheistic God?" (answer is no) or "are there in existence people who both consider themselves Buddhist and believe in God?" (the answer is yes). There are even a small handful of us (like me) who do NOT believe in God, but have a deep respect for many of our God-fearing brethren.

I believe that belief or not in God has nothing to do with the quality of one's heart. If one has a nasty heart, they will be a jerk with or without God. If one has a pure heart, they will be a saint with or without God. That's just my opinion.
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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby greggorious » Sun May 06, 2012 12:23 am

The trouble with the word God is that it usually conjures up the idea of a separate being, usually having human characteristics, that set up the world and the universe, and this God seems to have all the same neurotic tendencies that humans have. In fact God in some religions is a power maniac, demands to be worshipped and punishes us if we don't. I always think that if God created us only to worship him, then why give us free will?
The only concept of God that would satisfy me would be a pantheistic one. Zen Buddhism can sometimes have this view of God. God is an energy, or the universe itself, and since all things are interconnected, we're all God-together.
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby pilgrim » Sun May 06, 2012 2:21 am

Buddhists believe gods exist.
Others believe in gods.

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Buckwheat » Sun May 06, 2012 5:26 am

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Buddha » Sun May 06, 2012 7:37 am

a cool thanks for the replays,will go right on and read them.
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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby icyteru » Wed May 09, 2012 1:11 am

god = deva.
God = brahma?
believe in existence of deva / brahma.
but not believe or faith in them but in triple gem. :buddha1:
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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby Doshin » Wed May 09, 2012 7:54 am

Knowing about dhamma, does not imply knowing dhamma

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Re: Do Buddhist believe in god?

Postby rowboat » Wed May 09, 2012 8:26 am

Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
Ud 5.5


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