Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:22 am

i didnt read the whole conversation but to answer the OP. i am totally disconnected from the normal lifestyle of the system. i dont go to school and i dont go to work. i live as a social bum here in finland and practice Dharma mostly pretty much isolated from any groups or society. allthough i am in close contact with my family. for me i rather practice dharma and receive the social benefits that finland offers, free housing and food and money. many people do this but use drugs instead, i used to do that but now for the last two or three years i have been in isolation, travelling, and getting intensely involved in Dharma. i dont want to waste my life studying bullshit for many years and then work in a bullshit job for many years. i am starting to learn wordpress since my friends are starting a website building business, and that is my long term plan of being able to work little from home and make enough money to be self supportive. if you dont want to be in the 9-5 job circle i suggest you try to make money from the internet, of course the skills take time to learn but its a good alternative.

from some of your post i sense frustration and little bit hatred of the situation and i think this judgemental attitude brings you the suffering, not what you actually do. i think you need to dissolve the boundaries between self and other so you can learn to feel just love and compassion no matter how deluded or whatever the person is like.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby Anders » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:24 pm

go to hawaii and beachbum it. Climate and land there is rich and mild enough that there are communities basically just gathering what they need without much knowhow needed.
"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby padma norbu » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:32 pm

"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby Anders » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:42 pm

I haven't been there myself. But it's what I am told from friends who live there.
"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby Qing Tian » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:20 am

“Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.”

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:45 pm

quan tian this is some good attitude, live fearless.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:01 pm

thrasymachus i think your reply is quite accurate but i was just thinking you meant the normal nine to five job circle. but i understand what you said in your last message in actually is quite true.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby greentara » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:59 am

quan tian, Can you be truthfully fearless unless enlightened? Not just putting on a brave face, not just jumping in and lets see what happens. Fearless without a shred of angst!

Thrasymacus, Anyone who works for a living is working class, no matter how large the salary you're still at the beck and call of some 'superior' In the work force you may well ask 'who needs me?' So if someone needs me the other must be needy. With this global workforce, flexible hours, no one is much needed. The corporation can go to a poor country and garner the local workforce at great profit to the shareholders. No one is indispensable in this fragile work arrangement.
In Australia land is cheap, especially at the fringes of small inland towns. You can get a cow, a couple of sheep, goats , a few chooks. Grow your own vegetables and become self sufficient; of course its hard work. As you approach the large cities and coastal towns.... property doubles and triples in price as most want to live near the sea.

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby Qing Tian » Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:48 am

“Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.”

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby disjointed » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:23 am

Thrasymachus, the disgust you feel towards the pettiness and dysfunction of the world should not be restricted to the society you're familiar with. When I think about the past, all different societies, the birth and death of worldly people, I feel a strong urge to vomit. People spend their lives doing petty things, burning with mental afflictions, and dying miserably with mistaken views of themselves and true existence.

You can exploit the situation you are in. While other people spend free time watching tv. You can study dharma and practice. And if your work is successful you can die a free man and avoid rebirth in this velvet lined slaughterhouse.
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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby greentara » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:35 am

Dear Qing Tian, Yes its a universal problem for many home tourists view ' the world from my armchair' In the case of Thrasymachus he was trying to decide whether to hang in there, keep his job, possibly get a promotion further down the line or turn his back, put on gumboots and go back to his mothers village and till the soil? Of course village life may be nothing more then sentimental imaginings. I don't know if it helps to be bitter or radical but when people speak and act out of inner need, then perhaps real solutions can be found.

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby Qing Tian » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:55 am

“Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.”

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby padma norbu » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:55 pm

I like QT's attitude and find it inspirational, but shee-yit, I think if I followed his advice, I might just end up homeless. Homelessness seems so far away until one day you find yourself looking for a job and absolutely nobody will hire you. That happened to me over a decade ago and it was a complete shock. I couldn't get anything in my field and I couldn't get even get random basic labor jobs because people hiring just assumed I would get a new job in my field soon enough and leave them in the lurch. I almost had a nervous breakdown and was seriously thinking about suicide on a daily basis. It's pretty hard to ace an interview when you've had so many doors shut in your face already and you've got to pay the rent and several overdue bills with nothing in the bank, no family to support you or network of friends to hook you up with something. That experience caused me to wake up to the reality of those "bums" on the street I always found very irritating before. You don't have to be lazy and careless to wind up on the street in America. It's quite frightening, actually... it has definitely held me back from taking risks ever since.
"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron

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Re: Who has lived as something other than a worker-consumer?

Postby greentara » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:08 am

padma norbu, I hear you! Just listening to a program about Detroit and end stage capitalism. Apparently ordinary peoples pension funds were raided to pay off corporate debt!
Unfortunately Detroit is a basket case but so is America and the last straw of this latest debacle instigated by the tea party has bought the USA to its knees.
Yes you can go out on a limb but you have to be detached enough, calm enough to 'cop the consequences' then you'll see what stuff you're really made of!


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