I have some proof here that there's no afterlife

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Postby Simon E. » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:19 pm

" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: I have some proof here that there's no afterlife

Postby smcj » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:32 pm

I ran, if you want real proof, you will just have to wait until you die!
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Postby Anders » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:43 pm

"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: I have some proof here that there's no afterlife

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:05 pm

The only real "proof" is through logical inference.

basically, if you believe (as I do) that consciousness is something other than "in your brain" (since consciousness/thoughts can change the brain physically, this seems to be so on some level), it begs the question as to where it goes, or how it transforms when someone dies, the most logical answer actually comports somewhat with modern science, that consciousness transforms based on coming together and falling apart of causes and conditions..which is exactly what happens to pretty much all conditioned things, endless transformation based on causes and conditions. Even in modern physics, things don't just cease being, so asserting that consciousness simply ceases existing can only make sense if your worldview reduces all of existence to the category of physical, and believing that consciousness is just al brain-made illusion.. a view which has a ton of gaping holes of and within itself.

There is no empirical evidence for continuity of consciousness that i'm aware of, but there is also no empirical evidence for many, many things that are likely taken for granted in your worldview. Despite it's claims to the contrary, the modern reductionist worldview is also based mostly on inference..which is funny, because so many claiming to have this worldview will only accept empirical evidence as "proof"...double standard I guess.

P.S. Stop acting like a dick to everyone, if you want to have a conversation that's awesome..but no one needs to defend or prove anything to you.
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Re: I have some proof here that there's no afterlife

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:34 pm

The OP commits the fallacy of petitio principii; basing a conclusion on an assumption that is as much in need of proof or demonstration as the conclusion itself.
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Re: I have some proof here that there's no afterlife

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:00 am

Because now Atheism doesn't just mean lack of belief in a deity etc.., it often means someone who militantly supports that the status quo of our society in terms of worldview, politics etc. When I read Sam Harris, Dawkins, et al, it often seems like today's version of White Man's Burden..basically the idea is that any ideology which does not support modern, secular values and priorities only ( values which I happen to agree with on a personal level in may places) is engaging in "magical thinking", and is basically primitive and backwards. Dawkins of course even claims that people who don't adopt the orthodox "scientism" in terms of their worldview may have a brain disorder. They even question the value of philosophy.

Nevermind that the fact that this view has all kinds of logical holes, not the least of which is a 20th century full of horrors enabled in part by scientific discovery and it's supposed ethical superiority (not anti science or some luddite by any means, but the implied argument that science is ethically superior to religion is a questionable one). There are a group of "New Athiest" intellectuals out there putting out basically justifications of things continuing just as they are, and blaming all man's problems on religion. it's amazing to me that intelligent people take their pedestrian arguments seriously, but there ya go...i've actually had people threaten me and call me scum for criticizing Sam Harris. They also assumed I was some creationist or something, which is just rich. I would have thought these guys were really cool if they were as active when I was 18 or so, now they just seem so played out to me.

The whole thing is actually reminiscent of ridiculous 50's vision of a world where "progress" has fixed everything, and answered every question.
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Re: I have some proof here that there's no afterlife

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:58 am

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Don't take me too seriously.


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