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bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:30 pm

Tony Duff uses bodhisatva and suggests Tibetans have spelled it that way for hundreds of years. Is the Tibetan spelling of Sanskrit wrong or just a national method, like British English vs American spellings?
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby DGA » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:57 pm

I find it difficult to believe that the Tibetans have been using the Latin alphabet for centuries.

Perhaps I misunderstand Duff's point?

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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby dzogchungpa » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:02 pm

The Tibetans transliterate Sanskrit, much as we do using the Latin alphabet, using their alphabet and some special characters and diacritic type markings.
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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:07 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Postby dzogchungpa » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:16 pm

I happen to have in front of me "From Turfan to Ajanta : festschrift for Dieter Schlingloff on the occasion of his eightieth birthday" which contains the paper "How to justify the spelling of the Buddhist hybrid Sanskrit term Bodhisatva?" by Gouriswar Bhattacharya. Apparently it was spelled 'bodhisatva' in many Buddhist texts and inscriptions, but in many modern editions of texts and studies this has been "corrected" or whatever.
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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby sukhamanveti » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:18 pm

I think Duff's point must be that Tibetans tend to read the second half of the word as satva ("warrior") instead of sattva ("being"). This is true.
namo bhagavate śākyamunaye tathāgatāyārhate samyaksaṁbuddhāya | namaḥ sarvabuddhabodhisattvebhyaḥ ||

"Bodhisattva-mahāsattvas love all beings in the world equally, as if each were their only child..." Buddhāvataṃsakamahāvaipulya Sūtra

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Postby Nicholas Weeks » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:43 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:49 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby dzogchungpa » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:11 pm

Yes. The article is not so clear, but yes that seems to be the gist.
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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:44 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby dzogchungpa » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:42 am

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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:12 am

dzogchungpa, Where is this Duff Glossary - online I hope.
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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby dzogchungpa » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:17 am

His books often have glossaries. I used the one from "Gampopa Teaches Essence Mahamudra", I think. The definitions seem to be more or less the same in all of his books, many of which seem to be available online if one knows where to look :wink:
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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby dzogchungpa » Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:25 am

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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby dzogchungpa » Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:41 am

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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby dzogchungpa » Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:37 am

You can read Dayal's discussion of the word bodhisattva here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mm7ypvc
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Re: bodhisattva vs bodhisatva

Postby disjointed » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:13 am

Good thing we have context to clarify the meaning of the term.
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