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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:34 pm 
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how can non duality be experienced. any good books for beginners in dzogchen that introduce this experience and perception and also i would appreciate anything that helps me progress forward more into non duality.

how does it come about when in meditation there is the fog of perceiver and the perceived in a subconscious level deeply inrooted. like there is no way to remove the perceiver and the perceived duality. i i i me me me. how to transform that into experience of non duality ?

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If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:46 pm 
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This.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:38 pm 
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thankyou very much. this text is really helpful and clarifying.

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If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:29 pm 
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I don't think you can experience it,there will be no "you" or "other" to experience with.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:40 pm 
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not in a conceptual way it cant.

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If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:01 am 
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KonchokZoepa wrote:
... any good books for beginners in dzogchen ...


Chögyal Namkhai Norbu's next webcast start the 28th ... http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/video.php

Sönam

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By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:22 am 
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i might make it but i have a mahamudra weekend the same weekend so it depends if i can stay at the center for the two hours to receive the direct introduction or not. i noticed on mobile phone it doesnt work. :( and the rest of the retreat on sunday i cant participate. on monday i can.

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If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:23 pm 
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KonchokZoepa wrote:
how can non duality be experienced. any good books for beginners in dzogchen that introduce this experience and perception and also i would appreciate anything that helps me progress forward more into non duality.

how does it come about when in meditation there is the fog of perceiver and the perceived in a subconscious level deeply inrooted. like there is no way to remove the perceiver and the perceived duality. i i i me me me. how to transform that into experience of non duality ?


let your eyes soft focus, and relax into this feeling, letting everything go.

So if your dualistic mind, of all the thoughts, was like a bundle of sticks tied by a cord, what would happen if you untie the cord?

This is the "relax relax - let everything go."

Whatever occurs in your mind / body / emotions, just watch it and let it go without comment or involvement, like an old man watching children at play.

relax - relax - let everything go.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:32 am 
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Here in this tread, regarding the nondual practice of Dzogchen, may I ask a question?
There has been thrown here a light in another thread, which points to the stop of the clinging to the three concepts. (free from: subject which is acting, object of the action and the action itself)

What is faith in so called Nondual Dzogchen practice? Is it other than "absorption" (dependence-emptiness) in which no one is having faith, no object is there to have faith and faith is no action/verb?

Please forgive me the word 'absorption' since I never have been educated to use right words in right boxes and use only what is available in the season. They are all same anyway when written on water, not? That is maybe silent explanation in which no concepts are?

Many thanks. :meditate:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:19 pm 
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What is faith in so called Nondual Dzogchen practice?


There is no faith in "nondual dzogchen practice", there is not even any 'practice' at this point. Faith is very useful to take you there, and to allow you to open up. But it's importance and substantiality will dissolve in genuine relaxation as all other dualistic phenomena.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:31 pm 
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Ivo wrote:
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What is faith in so called Nondual Dzogchen practice?


There is no faith in "nondual dzogchen practice", there is not even any 'practice' at this point. Faith is very useful to take you there, and to allow you to open up. But it's importance and substantiality will dissolve in genuine relaxation as all other dualistic phenomena.



Spot on.


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