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Still struggling re Traditions...

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Still struggling re Traditions...

Postby Beautiful Breath » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:53 am

...I am getting tied up in knots here...LOL! Tantra and the practices in Tibetan Buddhism are not what the historical Buddha taught are they?

He didn't teach Phowa methods, Tantra, visualizations etc...did he? Just Samatha and Vipassana.... or am I wrong?

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Postby Khalil Bodhi » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:00 am

The answer depends upon who you ask. AFAIK, however, the Buddha never taught any of these as recorded in the Pali canon. Be well!
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Re: Still struggling re Traditions...

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Re: Still struggling re Traditions...

Postby Dan74 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:02 pm

I think the right tradition is one you can really commit to.

Have a look - there are amazing deep teachings and realized masters in all major traditions. But it's up to us to commit and do the work.
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Re: Still struggling re Traditions...

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:37 pm

Just because the Buddha didn't call something by a name we now associate with something, doesn't mean he didn'e teach something similare, or would agree to its use even if only in part.

I am not familiar with some of the terms you use, but it is well worth remembering that the buddha didn't say something was useless if it bore results in the right direction, although he may well of adapted it to be more in line with the Dhamma.

Take Yoga for example, the Buddha never mentions such practices, but he does talk about the benefit of walking meditation, to practice in all postures, and activities, he may of done away with some of the philosophy, but kept the physical side? same with other practices, the Buddha never explicitly taught prayer, but it has been used by some in a very positive way, and could be seen in the karaniya metta sutta origin story, same as Lecio Divina not taught but a very useful tool.

The Buddha encouraged us to know for ourselves if something is useful or not, leading to skillfulness or not, so it is well worth remembering that just because it isn't explicitly found in the texts doesn't mean it isn't a useful tool, or that it can be useful.

just to hammer home the point, look at Scientology and their attitude to psychology/psychiatry to them these are useless things and they use the negative things it has been used as proof, yet these have been used in both positive and negative ways, same as many medical fields are we to throw these out based only on one use? is the baby going out with the bath water?

food for thought at least, if not entirely useful.


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Re: Still struggling re Traditions...

Postby Beautiful Breath » Tue May 15, 2012 9:08 am

...so the bottom line seems to be this; apart from Tibetan Buddhism that has its own unique take and the teachings of the Mahasiddhas - all traditions have at their heart Samatha and Vipassana. Once you sit and follow the breath (for example) your tradition is utterly of no consequence. Is this correct?

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Re: Still struggling re Traditions...

Postby Alex123 » Tue May 15, 2012 3:08 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."


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