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No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

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No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:29 am

Greetings,

Unless I'm missing something, in the Satipatthana Sutta, despite it containing a good many words, there appears to be no mention of the "three characteristics" (i.e. anicca, anatta, dukkha) of objects.

Is this of significance to how we perform mental cultivation, or is it entirely irrelevant?

:meditate:

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Re: No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Alex123 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:11 am

IMHO, By fulfilling the actual practice, one will see these characteristics for oneself. Focus on the causes and results (seeing triple characteristics, Awakening) will follow.

It could be that merely repeating and studying (anicca, dukkha, anatta) is very limited. Much better to have direct and personal vision of it. If these are present in every mental state, then it should be seen by us when sati is developed well enough.

When someone tells "anicca", it could merely be the sound. But if one discovers it for oneself through mindfulness, then the personal knowledge is not a mere sound.
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Re: No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

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Re: No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

Postby bodom » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:19 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

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Re: No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

Postby bodom » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:24 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

Postby bodom » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:27 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

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Re: No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:23 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: No "three characteristics of objects" in Satipatthana Sutta

Postby vinasp » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:29 am

Hi Retro,

The wording changes in the last section:

1. Contemplation of Body: " ... abides contemplating the body as a body."

2. Contemplation of Feeling: " .. abides contemplating feelings as feelings."

3. Contemplation of Mind: " ... abides contemplating mind as mind."

4. Contemplation of Mind-Objects: ".. abides contemplating mind-objects as
mind-objects in terms of the five hindrances."

We are not told what the mind-objects are, only that they are contemplated
"in terms of" - or in the context of - the five hindrances.

[ or the five aggregates of clinging, or the six internal and external bases.]

I think it means seeing how these things originate from mind-objects, and
therefore cease when the mind object ceases.

Regards, Vincent.


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