Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

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Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Karma Jinpa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:51 pm

Khedrub Karma Chagme I (1613-1678)---the embodiment of the Three Kayas who are Amitabha, Avalokiteshvara & Padmasambhava---was at one time a candidate for the title of 10th Karmapa, and was said to be his activity emanation since the 10th Karmapa was not able to be present much in Tibet in that life. He was at once both an accomplished yogi-mahasiddha who spent much of his life in retreat, and one of the most influential scholars and authors of his time. His Richö, or "Mountain Dharma," derived from teachings given thru a hole in the wall during his own retreat, is still the de-facto guide on retreat to this day within many of the 4 elder and 8 younger lineages of the Kagyu school. He was also responsible for recognizing the young tertön Mingyur Dorje (revealer of the Namchö cycle of Dzogchen), serving as the scribe for the terma teachings the prodigy received thru visions. The Namchö now form the core of the Palyul lineage of the Nyingma school, and are of great importance to the Kamtsang as well.

http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Karma_Chagme_Raga_Asey

In short, Karma Chagme's realization and activity were incomprehensibly vast and profound. Currently there is a 7th Karma Chagme in the Neydo sub-branch of the Karma Kagyu lineage (which he formed and heads), and a less widely known 9th incarnation in the Drikung Kagyu lineage. Much like Gyalwang Rinchen Phuntsok before him, the 1st Karma Chagme was an early predecessor of the Rimé movement, fully integrating Dzogchen terma into the Kamtsang lineage of Mahamudra in a skillful display of non-duality. He was a great compiler and editor of texts, many of which would not be in their current form if not for his diligence in preserving and distilling the teachings. In this way, he was likely a role model for Jamgön Kongtrul Lodrö Thaye, who would follow in his footsteps, and even work with many of his same texts.

You get the picture... :soapbox:

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I was wondering if anyone knows of any good sources for information on Karma Chagme (besides Mountain Dharma and his outer namthar of Namchö Mingyur Dorje), specifically in regards to the practice curriculum he instituted for the Neydo lineage? Unfortunately, the Neydo Foundation has a very small website and seems to be based mostly in Asia apart from a center in NY, having no formal organization to speak of in the West.

Chagme Rinpoche is of primary importance to me, personally, as I hold all three lineages which he and his tulku lines have been involved in. I suspect getting info about him and what he accomplished out there would benefit countless beings.

So anything you folks know, especially in relation to the Chöd practices he did or had his students engage in, would be of paramount interest. :popcorn:
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, it happens that a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Karma Jinpa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:29 pm

His Holiness the 7th Ngom Neydo Chagme Rinpoche (performing the Lotus crown ceremony)

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While His Holiness the 16th Karmapa (Rangjung Rigpa'i Dorje) was staying at Karma Gon, he preformed a divination and recognized an amazing child who was marked by the guardian Shang Jongma. Thus he discovered the unmistaken incarnation of the scholar-siddha Karma Chagme, and named him Karma Tenzin Trinley Kunkhyab Pal Zangpo.

http://www.neydo.org/?key=1&pos=1&act=pagesbiograph
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, it happens that a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

དྲིན་ཆེན་རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་རཱ་ག་ཨ་སྱ་མཁྱེན་ནོ།
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Karma Jinpa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:18 pm

His Eminence the 9th Drikung Chagme Rinpoche

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The previous (8th) Drikung Chagme was responsible for administering the test of objects to verify that little Könchog Gyaltsen was the authentic 8th Garchen Rinpoche, unmistaken reincarnation of Gar Trinley Yongkhyab. As a way of returning the favor, without any notice, His Eminence Garchen Rinpoche showed up at the 9th Chagme Rinpoche's home and gave him refuge and empowerments. At the time, this was before Chagme Rinpoche had even been recognized. When he was twelve, he was officially recognized and enthroned by His Holiness Kyabgön Chetsang Rinpoche as the ninth Drikung Kagyu incarnation of Karma Chagme.

http://www.dharma-media.org/ratnashripj/teacher_chagme.html
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, it happens that a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

དྲིན་ཆེན་རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་རཱ་ག་ཨ་སྱ་མཁྱེན་ནོ།
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby heart » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:20 pm

Karma Jinpa wrote:
Chagme Rinpoche is of primary importance to me, personally, as I hold all three lineages which he and his tulku lines have been involved in. I suspect getting info about him and what he accomplished out there would benefit countless beings.


You are a lineage holder?

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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Karma Jinpa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:23 pm

A good side-by-side of the two Chagme tulkus:

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"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, it happens that a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

དྲིན་ཆེན་རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་རཱ་ག་ཨ་སྱ་མཁྱེན་ནོ།
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Karma Jinpa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:07 pm

Hold the lineage of blessings, maybe; certainly not the lineage of realization... yet. :broke:

I meant more in the sense of "I practice" or "consider myself a part of" those lineages, not a :quoteunquote: "lineage holder" in the sense of a master who passes it on.
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, it happens that a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

དྲིན་ཆེན་རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་རཱ་ག་ཨ་སྱ་མཁྱེན་ནོ།
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Karma Sherab » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:18 pm

Hi Karma Jinpa

I hope I am not making a mistake here, but I know Chagme Rinpoche quite well and have (through the Dakinis kindness) received teachings and empowerments from him.

He was always very kind and whatever time of day I would come he would be reciting mantras. One of the most exemplary Lamas I have ever had the good fortune to meet.

When I knew him he was living at Bouda and the last time I have seen him was in 1987.

He lives very quietly in Orissa and Kathmandu.
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby heart » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:00 pm

Karma Jinpa wrote:Hold the lineage of blessings, maybe; certainly not the lineage of realization... yet. :broke:

I meant more in the sense of "I practice" or "consider myself a part of" those lineages, not a :quoteunquote: "lineage holder" in the sense of a master who passes it on.


Ah! :smile:
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby philji » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:31 pm

I believe the Dentok Chikma , Machig guru yoga/Chod, originated with Karma Chagme
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Malcolm » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:48 pm

philji wrote:I believe the Dentok Chikma , Machig guru yoga/Chod, originated with Karma Chagme



No, he just wrote a version based on earlier texts. Dentok Chigma is a term, not a title.
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Karma Jinpa » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:05 pm

"What I have presented here is very short and I am telling it to you as I remember it, so it is not in a very orderly form. Those who are interested in a more orderly, precise text should read the biography I have written at the request of my teacher, Lord Mingyur Dorjé. Because these subjects are so precise, there is a chance that readers might develop wrong views that will cause them harm. For this reason I request that my biography be read only by those who have the empowerment and the lung."

~ pp. 14-15, Namthar, from Karma Chakme's Mountain Dharma, Volume 1


Does anyone know where to find said text? And do we know which empowerment and reading transmission Chagme Rinpoche is referring to? Has anyone gotten them, or does anyone know who would be likely to give them?

For that matter, has anyone gotten the lung for the entire Richö, or sections of it? :reading:
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, it happens that a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

དྲིན་ཆེན་རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་རཱ་ག་ཨ་སྱ་མཁྱེན་ནོ།
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby conebeckham » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:11 pm

I believe that the RiCho has been given by Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche, in full, at Woodstock....but I think certain sections of the text were either not included in the public work, or are available only based on authorization. But I don't know the details.

Many texts have been extracted from it, for the purposes of various Dharma practices, though...as one example, there is a "Mahakala Prayer for the Dead" from Karma Chagme's Richo which is in use at Kalu Rinpoche's centers, during the Losar Mahakala puja. It can be done daily, as well.
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Karma Jinpa » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:10 am

Cone, do you happen to have links to any of the texts excerpted from the Richö, or have any of them in PDF format? The Mahakala Prayer for the Dead is of particular interest to me as an aspiring chaplain. I know Chagme Rinpoche also was quite done of Amitabha, especially the Namchö version (and of course his own Sukhavati Prayer).

Still curious about what wang & lung is being referred to, and where that longer bio is located...
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, it happens that a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

དྲིན་ཆེན་རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་རཱ་ག་ཨ་སྱ་མཁྱེན་ནོ།
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Re: Karma Chagme & Neydo Kagyu

Postby Karma Jinpa » Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:58 pm

Does anyone know of a guru yoga text or gurusadhana composed by or for Karma Chagme? I would be greatly appreciative for any and all information related to this. Would the guru yoga portion of the Namchö ngondro suffice, if nothing else?

Sadly, the 7th Neydo Chagme Rinpoche passed away today... More here:
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14182
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, it happens that a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme

དྲིན་ཆེན་རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་རཱ་ག་ཨ་སྱ་མཁྱེན་ནོ།
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