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is loving self considered samatha

Postby befriend » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:17 am

hi,
i was curious as to wether sending metta to oneself is considered samatha. it does not have the same affect as wishing good things for others. metta befriend
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Re: is loving self considered samatha

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:23 am

Greetings befriend,

When practicing metta bhavana, one begins with directing thoughts of metta, karuna, mudita and upekkha towards oneself. It is also important to direct those thoughts to others as well.
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Re: is loving self considered samatha

Postby befriend » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:58 pm

im just wondering if sending kind thoughts to oneself, is a form of samatha meditation. i know metta to others is samatha. it is a calm abiding and suppress' the defilements. sending metta to oneself doesnt really create the same feel as sending loving thoughts to others. so thats why im curious if sending love to yourself will supress the defilements.
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Re: is loving self considered samatha

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Re: is loving self considered samatha

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:07 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: is loving self considered samatha

Postby Goofaholix » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:28 pm

It makes no difference who you are holding in mind when you cultivate metta, nor the feeling that is created, metta practise is considered samatha because it's not insight practise.

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Re: is loving self considered samatha

Postby befriend » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:01 am

will wishing oneself good things suppress the defilements though? thats the main reason im asking.
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Re: is loving self considered samatha

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:06 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: is loving self considered samatha

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Re: is loving self considered samatha

Postby ground » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:25 am

Actually it does not matter whether metta is directed to oneself or others because metta is the dwelling and neither oneself nor others. It only matters initially in the beginning because if you are suffering from reproaching yourself or shame or regret metta cannot arise if you start the meditation directing it towards others. So in this case you better start with yourself to overcome your suffering. But once metta has arisen then the dwelling of mind has arisen and there is no longer any need for directed thought. On the contrary directed thought then is disturbance. Once metta has arisen there should be radiation in all directions without any object(s) and without determinate source.


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Re: is loving self considered samatha

Postby Viscid » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:19 am

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