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Re: No sankhata dhammas existing outside of present awareness

Postby vinasp » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:06 pm

Hi everyone,

This is an extract from AN 10.22

"Whatever things, Ananda, conduce to realizing the truth of this or that
statement of doctrine, confidently do I claim, after thorough comprehension
of it, to teach dhamma about them in such a way that, when proficient, a man
shall know of the real that it is, of the unreal that it is not; of the mean
that it is mean, of the exalted that it is exalted; of that which has
something beyond it, that it has something beyond it; of that which is
unsurpassed, that it is unsurpassed.
For there is the possibility of his knowing or seeing or realizing that
which can be known, seen or realized. This, Ananda, is knowledge
unsurpassable, the knowledge of this or that thing as it really is. Than
this knowledge, Ananda, there is no other knowledge surpassing it or more
excellent, I declare."

[ PTS Gradual Sayings, Vol. V, page 26, translated by F.L. Woodward.]

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: No sankhata dhammas existing outside of present awareness

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:37 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby retrofuturist » Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:15 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby retrofuturist » Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:26 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby retrofuturist » Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:51 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: No sankhata dhammas existing outside of present awareness

Postby Sarva » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:51 am

“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86

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Re: No sankhata dhammas existing outside of present awareness

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:01 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: No sankhata dhammas existing outside of present awareness

Postby Sarva » Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:15 am

:shrug: I see no way to better you, Retro. :D
I would have to refute "anatta" to show that there is some form of continuous foundation. What about "awareness", there is the awareness of something and awareness of no thing, however this "awareness" is not observable itself, in other words it is an "unobservable phenomena", or would you disagree? I am curious how to get around that other than to confirm it is not a phenomena by definition?

Incidentally, do you know if the Buddhist perspective on breaking 'repetitive tendencies' is the same for breaking any form of craving or if there is a different method? :)
“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86

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Postby retrofuturist » Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:20 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: No sankhata dhammas existing outside of present awareness

Postby Sarva » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:03 am

“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86

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Postby retrofuturist » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:08 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby retrofuturist » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:23 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: No sankhata dhammas existing outside of present awareness

Postby Sarva » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:29 am

“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86


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