the psychology and nature application of wrathful deities

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the psychology and nature application of wrathful deities

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:55 pm

can someone who has experience of the psychology of tantra and especially when connecting with wrathful deities. introduce the psychology aspect of the mind related to wrathful manifestations.

are the wrathful ones more potent to deal with negative energies, to tame them and purify and make them peaceful, liberated.

what is the purpose of the wrathful appearance. how is the enlightened wrath related to the normal mind and samsaric emotions?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby smcj » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:23 pm

Kalu R. said that a secular example of Mahakala (wrathful compassion) would be a mother seeing her child do something dangerous. She would discipline her child, not out of anger, but out of love for the child so it knows better next time.
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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:12 am

im looking for an answer also that is wrathful manifestations the right method to deal with really persistent fear of certain people and situations. to help and purify inside and outside.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby smcj » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:28 am

Sounds like you might be looking for a weapon. That's probably not a good application for a wrathful deity.
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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:52 am

If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:54 am

If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:14 pm

If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby emaho » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:22 pm

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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:00 pm

i agree that you should do wrathful mantras out of anger or hatred.

but this is not about that, this is about trusting and relying on enlightened forces to help and purify you. not to destroy your enemies or such. maybe to destroy theyre negative emotions and thoughts and that way help them. purify the energies of the interconnectedness of all mandalas.

nobody seems to understand or answer my real question here.
Last edited by KonchokZoepa on Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:04 pm

i cant say that i am the most compassionate person or that i would do any sadhana out of great compassion, and only out of compassion. i am selfish, and i do Dharma practice for my own benefit, but i dont forget others and i pray for them also.

i think its actually a great accomplishment if you can do wrathful sadhana out of compassion for all beings, only out of compassion no traces of selfishness whatsoever.


but i am still asking about the psychology related to wrathful deities, does anyone know anything about that ?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:10 pm

If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

Postby emaho » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:14 pm

Maybe you should post your question in the Tantra section. I'm sure there are quite a few people here with the knowledge to answer your question, but because wrathful practices are secret you won't get much more answers in public.
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Re: the psychology and nature application of wrathful deitie

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"Do yourself a favor and get out of Samsara!" Dudjom Rinpoche, Counsels From My Heart

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Don't take me too seriously.

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche


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