when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:40 pm

thanks this might help.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby philji » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:21 pm

Everyone is so greedy for Dzogchen.....work on the basics, work with your mind, rest in natural awareness and develop loving kindness and compassion..... If no teacher available check out www.tergar.com for info on joy of living 1 online course soon to start.. Mingyur Rinpoche introduces us to the natural state very effortlessly....

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:34 pm

If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:25 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:27 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:34 pm

so am i correct that you register in your local dzogchen community that is lead by Chogyal Namkhai Norbu and then you have the acces the the archive of webcasts?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Malcolm
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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:44 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby philji » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:54 pm

I am sorry if I have offended anyone through my mention of greediness for Dzogchen...I uses I am old Skool and feel the need for purification and accumulation to clear the shit away from my eyes... Having received the introduction to the nature of my mind this accumulation and purification is so much more wonderful.... :namaste:

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:05 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:55 pm

malcolm and everyone, Thanks for the help! :namaste: i appreciate it a lot :smile:
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:20 am


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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby philji » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:15 am

Pema. Hi..sorry once again for any offence..these online forum things do have their draw backs... I agree with what you say about people viewing Dzogchen as super sexy etc..... I am just a beginner myself but after receiving instructions from different teachers I can now begin to see that the instructions for recognising nature of mind are contained in many , many teachings..maybe Ll of them?.. Once you know where to look you see it everywhere..it's quite amazing.... I think some folks including myself view some teachings as inferior .... That's a shame..... Even taking refuge is an introduction to our mind essence is it not?

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:49 am

Again, no offense taken. As for seeing certain teachings as inferior, I guess it depends on how you mean that. For some people that may mean looking down upon teachings below the level of Dzogchen as if they're a waste of time or not good enough for them. For me it's more like every teachings is aimed in the direction of realization of the natural state but some are a more direct shot than others. That being so, I see no shame or spiritual materialism in wanting to go straight to the teachings and methods that most directly reveal that knowledge.

Now, if other people's experiences are anything like mine, they'll find that however they imagined Dzogchen to be, this path is anything but easy--at least during the phase of trying to gain certainty about the distinction between mind and instant presence/rigpa, and then in the phase of trying to maintain that instant presence throughout all one's conduct. Dzogchen could easily turn into "Dzogchung" ("Little Perfection"), if you will, if people think they can laze about and keep allowing themselves to indulge in passions and so on like a normal person rather than openly experiencing all that instant presence. If that is one's approach, then anything from Anuyoga on down to simply maintaining consistent ethical conduct is superior.

*Oh and yeah, every part of ngondro in our tradition is essentially guru yoga once one has received empowerment,transmission, and instructions and one understands the instructions. I'm not sure how many people get that at the beginning, or even after some time, but yeah that's the case. But if one does get this, and one has been directly introduced, then it's also a fine context for Dzogchen. That said, the virtues of the Dzogchen-specific preliminaries--the outer, inner, and secret rushens and the semdzins--plus the secondary Dzogchen practices like the 25 Spaces of Samantabhadra and such cannot be understated. But it's all about working with one's own relative condition and circumstances. That's what determines what is superior for oneself as an individual. It's all about what gets the job done for oneself.

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:52 pm

can you tell me about these rushens and semdzins that do you receive the teachings on those during direct introduction or where do you learn them?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby oberon_rex » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:43 pm

KonchokZoepa - It's not such a good idea to discuss specific practices.

There is a book called "Teachings on Lojongs, Rushens and Semdzins" which you might find a good start. You will be able to purchase either through Merigar or Shang Shung Italy (I think - I'm Australian so I may be completely wrong!).

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby Malcolm » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:37 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:00 pm

i couldnt make it to this retreat since i am having a mahamudra teachings weekend here in finland.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby Motova » Wed May 07, 2014 5:10 pm

Questions about starting:

What level of meditation stability should one have?
What sort of qualities should one have?
How does one go about asking for a direct introduction from a lama?

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Postby florin » Wed May 07, 2014 6:07 pm

"Bow down to me for I thirst for an infinite ocean of blood, since the innumerable torrents of floods at kalpa's end that terrify all world systems do not even wet the tip of my tongue"


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