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meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:04 pm

Hi, i have a question.

Do you need to be a skilled and experienced meditator, or to put it another way do you need to have a stable and solid foundation and meditational experience to be able to gain liberating or liberative steps when doing vajrayana deity yoga and sadhana. in example vajrakilaya or vajrayogini.

i know that chenrezig works perfectly even though you are not advanced meditator but these more esoteric and ''potent'' sadhanas of different deities.

i just read in a book alled Diamond Mind - a psychology to meditation. a great book even though i just started. clarifies perfectly all the aspects of meditation.

anyway, that first you need to come in terms with the inner surveillance that happens automatically, judgements, opinions etc that create feelings ( for a short or a longer period ) of time since we go into reaction mode. and we should be able to come in terms with our mind and be OK with all that happens in the mind and not judge or criticize or condemn or whatever it. that with mindfulness practice we should relax with no goal in mind to achieve something from meditation and just relax and come to terms with the content of our being and our mind.

anyway, i havent even achieved that so im a very beginner meditator.

i still want to practice vajrayana along my meditation practice and i dont have a question about Chenrezig because it is perfect.

i also experience negative forces at play in my life and i have the opportunity to do a Vajrakilaya Drubchen and receive Vajrakilaya empowerement from HE Garchen Rinpoche.

is it worth going and after that adopting Vajrakilaya as a regular practice to put an enlightened force to deal with negativities. or is this a way or repressing parts of my self and not coming to terms with what is.

or can you with mindfulness both come to terms with what is and still do vajrakilaya to make it easier and gain some confidence and sense of security.

also if anyone here does the Drikung Kagyu's Vajrakilaya practice or is familiar with Vajrakilaya practice could someone tell me what the sadhanas are like.

thank you. hope it wasnt a too long message / question / contemplation.

i would appreciate conversation from this post.

Thanks

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If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



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Re: meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby qwerty13 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:05 am

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Re: meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby conebeckham » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:37 pm

Vajrakilaya is actually the first practice done in a Kagyu three year retreat...even before the Four Thoughts and Ngondro....and of course it's probably the most popular Yidam for the Nyingmapas. If you feel drawn to it, I say go for it!

You don't "need to be experienced," what you need is the empowerment, the instructions, and the transmission. But most importantly you need to understand the Vajrakilaya is the Vajra Compassionate Activity of all the Buddhas.


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Postby Simon E. » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:28 pm

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Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:19 pm

thankyou beckham for your message :good:
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby Konchog1 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:47 pm

Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:08 pm

If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby kirtu » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:01 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:52 pm

yes i have some experience of emptiness. im not the most skilled meditator but im starting to understand the psychology of it little by little. my samatha isnt good but i think insight is allright. thanks for the answer :smile:
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby denny » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:31 pm

I wonder if this is an auspicious time for a seeker to ask a question concerning wrathful deities?

I believe I understand part of the power of Vajrakilaya. In fact I had a dream (before learning of Buddhism) in which the crystal puhrba of my mind (at the time I'd have called it "The focus of my mind") pierced through the worst problem/question of my childhood, through my life and through my life-before-I-was-born; (that sounds clumsy) and ended that problem/question forever, by providing understanding and promoting compassion. And which was, I believe, in keeping with typical traditional use of imagery. This was the beginning of my "seeking" for understanding and succor.

But I wonder if there is also some "teaching" which can effectively "skewer" very old, all-encompassing, "unconscious-until-arising" anger built up, as a defense mechanism in a childhood of Asperger rejection? This would change my life in a very positive way but I realize this may be an unreasonable hope.

I hope this is not too off-topic, :offtopic:

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Postby KonchokZoepa » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:53 pm

i decided not to go already, and i am already too late to change this decision.

i know Garchen Rinpoche is a very high level being, i think he is an incarnation of Aryadeva but i hope and believe i will have another chance of meeting him.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:20 pm

i did not base my decision on any of the posts here. i just felt that my practice at the moment would be more centered and in the essence if i did not make a travel this autumn. i will still participate through the webcast.

and i know even though Garchen Rinpoche is already old he will continue to work and help us for some years to come and he travels to europe every year so propably next year i will go and meet him.

the main reason was that it came so suddenly and i experienced confusion about wether or not to go and then i did not have the pure motivation, it was confused motivation of only wanting to help myself and not so much others, so i talked with this with my sangha friend and i came to conclusion that i will skip this event, of course it would have been very amazing and very very blessed to go, but maybe next time. and now instead of going there i had the money to join the DC and start working with ChNNR and also money to purchase items from the ShangShung store and start my dzogchen practice and also i bought many other books, so i am quite ok and happy with my decision, also now i have the money to buy sadhanas from Garchen's store and one is Garchen's Guru yoga so i dont think that i made a bad decision, after all i can participate through the webcast the event. i think i posted the information about this event webcast on the forum but if someone interested missed that post www.drikung.ru you can find a link to ustream site from the frontpage or just watch the transmissions webcasts from the frontpage.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:05 pm

Man, i'd just jump in with two feet if you ever get the opportunity for something like that again. Garchen Rinpoche came here a while back and i'm sad to have missed it.

Far as Bodhicitta motivation, what I was told is that essentially you have to fake it until it is real..this is the point I am at, and it is slowly working, it's now becoming natural habit for me to have altruistic thought about people i'm angry with etc..but it starts by just willingly changing your thinking, so I dunno about not going to something like that because you check in and don't like your own motivation at one time or another, just change it the best you can.

Not trying to pry, it just seems like not a great reason to avoid in person contact with such an amazing dude.
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Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:24 pm

hopefully next year if it is possible, meaning im still here on this planet
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Postby Johnny Dangerous » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:54 pm

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Re: meditation and vajrayana and also vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:51 pm

well you never know, i dont want to see it ominous but lets hope the best :smile:
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme



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