Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

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Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby duffster1 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:59 pm

I heard Chogyal Namkhai Norbu say in the webcast today that if one talks about rigpa to non practitioners one is breaking samaya.Im just trying to understand what he meant.If one tells a loved one or a friend what they are practicing and goes into a little detail wouldn't this be harmless. Wouldn't it be of some benefit for another to hear the sanity of it all?

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby heart » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:09 pm

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby Sönam » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:06 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby dzoki » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:22 am

In any case talking about rigpa to those who have not discovered (here I mean Dharma practitioners, in my experience, specifically kagyu and nyingma) it will lead nowhere, they won´t believe you. They will insist that it is difficult to recognize the nature of the mind, that it is somewhere far away, that it can be seen only by those who have spent years in retreat, that rigpa cannot be recalled in times of difficulty which one can encounter living an ordinary life etc. So what´s the point in talking about rigpa to the others? Unless they discover it for themselves hearing about it will not help them. People usually take the defeated stand as described above or they confuse some experiences for rigpa and then they go around and announce to everybody that they have discovered rigpa :D. I learned from my own experience that it is better not to talk about it.

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby Dronma » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:15 pm

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby conebeckham » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:39 pm

The first rule about Dzogchen is, we don't talk about Dzogchen.

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby Grigoris » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:28 pm

Discussion on "Unity's theory of the nature of mind" split to
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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby Sönam » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:09 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby Simon E. » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:21 am

" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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Re: Breaking samaya if one talks about rigpa?

Postby Simon E. » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:33 am

We can now expect a small flurry of replies from those who have a view based on their feeling excluded, but have not received ' Pointing Out '. :popcorn:
" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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