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Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Alex123 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:46 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Alex123 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:49 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Sarva » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:50 pm

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Alex123 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:54 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Cafael Dust » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:00 pm

No, you aren't talking about a soul, but where else would you be feeling emotional pain? I put it to you that there is no such thing as emotional pain, there's just pain.
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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Cafael Dust » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:07 pm

Not twice, not three times, not once,
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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Cafael Dust » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:26 pm

I have read all your posts on this forum on this matter. That's how compassion for you arose.
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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby kirk5a » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:28 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Alex123 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:31 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Alex123 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:32 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

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Not twice, not three times, not once,
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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Alex123 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:40 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Alex123 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:46 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Cafael Dust » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:00 pm

I am not going to speculate on how something that isn't could be at some point in the future.

And the aggregates are dukkha, yes. They will always be dukkha and can only be dukkha until they are not. So if you meet someone without dukkha, he or she is also without aggregates. The aggregates are inseparable from attachment.

But what you don't see is that the absence you desire is not, and will not be. When there are no longer aggregates, there is no absence to take their place. There is not even that. You are not a moving picture on a dark frame.
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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Cafael Dust » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:19 pm

Ok, look, we see the world as a 3d space containing objects. Those objects can be here or not here. If I dissolve a pearl in vinegar, the pearl no longer exists.

Our bodies are objects in this world. But this is not an object than can be here and then gone, or gone and then here. It's not even a 'this'. Exist/not-exist, it doesn't apply. Reborn, not reborn, neither reborn nor not reborn, doesn't apply. Nothing wanders on or endures.

The mistake is being so conditioned by dealing with material phenomenology that we apply such to experience and end up like a cowboy trying to lassoo a teflon wall, or a tidal wave trying to climb its own face.
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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby kirk5a » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:25 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Cafael Dust » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:36 pm

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