Sherab wrote:The space-time that came after the Big Bang? No.
Matt J wrote:I was wondering what others think of this question, either from teachings or from your experience.
I am talking about the element of earth, not the planet earth.Ayu wrote:Why not? I mean, who knows if air, water and fire are not conscious?
Earth, at least, is a living organism.
( Sorry, i just like to discuss a little bit.)
But, honestly: WHY not?
Dear Ayu,Ayu wrote:So this is a standoff. I cannot prove it either.
And the element of earth is a living realm for various tiny animals and microorganisms, just like the ocean is a living realm for various forms of life.
The teaching is, there is no Atta. If we attribute an eternal soul to the things, that's wrong, it's said. But what about consciousness? Why does my car start its motor when I say "Come on, you'll make it!" ???
My assumption is: MAYBE, if my mind attributes consciousness to the wind, maybe there will be conciousness? This is just an idea. Please feel free to speak to the contrary....
Sherab Dorje wrote:Dear Ayu,
You are misinterpreting what is meant by the term "earth". Track down some Abhidharma (or Abhidhamma) texts for clarification.
By the way: tiny animals and micro-organisms belong to the animal realm.
Sherab Dorje wrote:Anyway, if you believe that the elements are conscious then the onus of responsibility is on you to prove they are conscious. I cannot prove that they are not conscious (albeit that they do not display any characteristics of consciousness).
Just because space is like consciousness doesn't mean that it is consciousness. Air is also like consciousness, is it conscious?Matt J wrote:Space is like what I would call consciousness. It has no form, no color, no shape. Things arise in space just as thoughts, feelings (indeed, the whole world if you press me) arise in consciousness. Adding or subtracting objects does not add or subtract space, much like adding or deleting thoughts does not add or subtract consciousness.
PadmaVonSamba wrote:Two things cannot be denied: Space, and Awareness.
Both are all-pervading, meaning that they form the basis in which all phenomena occur.
But space, itself, is not aware,
and awareness, itself, does not occupy space.
They are not the same thing.
Aemilius wrote:Sherab wrote:The space-time that came after the Big Bang? No.
That is committing the fault of thinking that an independent space and time exists. There is no space or time independent of consciousness, independent of mind.
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