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Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:38 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Dan74 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:20 am

I am glad you said that, Ben, 'cause I wanted to ask you if I can bring the lab along when I come down to Tassie as well as the rats, of course... wahahaha-ha...!!

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To come back to the topic, there was a tea time conversation about this at work today (School of Maths Sciences, Monash) and theists seem to be a small (or a very quiet) minority at Uni, unsurprisingly. What I do find surprising is how disinterested in all things spiritual most academics appear to be... I don't know if this is Mike's experience too at his work, but the small sample that I've come across are overwhelmingly indifferent. I guess they had watched the Q&A to see the good cardinal get thrashed.
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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:52 am

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Dan74 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:10 am

Yes, I think people are private about it when they hold some spiritual beliefs but they are pretty vocal when they think it's all a load of hogwash.

I don't speak of my beliefs or practice at work but a colleague who is Chan Buddhist knows (I once did a retreat at the temple he goes to) and has told some others I think.

I guess generally among scientists and mathematicians, the credo is inquire into everything and accept the simplest explanation (as everybody knows). Theism requires a quarantine from this approach it seems and scientists who hold theistic beliefs seem to separate them from the way they approach just about everything else.

PS Cloaka! And there I was thinking what I do is useless... :jumping:

PPS The evil chemistry teacher, eh? (just read the synopsis) I was a big time chemistry nerd at school and I could see myself ending up an explosives guru for some green or anti-capitalist terrorist group, but these have gone out of fashion it seems!
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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:27 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Dan74 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:53 am

It boggles the mind that Pell, while clearly an intelligent person, says things like

"First of all I’m not a sceptic about climate change. I grew up in Ballarat. The weather was always I worked for years in Melbourne. If you don't like the weather in Melbourne, wait 20 minutes. Think of all the nonsense people like Flannery told us about years of drought here and now we're coping with flood. But the droughts will be back."

It is one thing not to understand the science of climate change, but to denigrate an expert while confidently proclaiming one's confusion on national tv... :shrug:
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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:56 am

Yes!
It was interesting at about half way through, Dawkins didn;t have to say a thing and Pell took the opportunity to hang himself.
Some of the stuff he was saying was genuinely extraordinary (not in a good way).
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Ferox » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:42 am

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:51 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

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Re: Richard Dawkins v Cardinal Pell (panel debate)

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:12 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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