Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby WeiHan » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:32 pm

I love the Riwo Sangcho practice alot too. It is easy to practice. The wordings is Dzogchen. It solves many problems related to karmic debt without creating new problems etc...

But I have read about merit of offering pretas..and then I start to like Sur offering also. The sutras say that offering to pretas is like saving their lifes, the merit is similar to offering to all Buddhas and Bodhisattva in the ten directions. Well...I read it somewhere. There is a specific Mahayana sutra preaching the merit of offering pretas.

So...actually, does the Riwo Sangcho offering satisfy the pretas, the way Sur offering satisfy them?

When we burn 3 white and 3 sweets, but are really reciting the Riwo Sangcho liturgy, do these pretas and bardo beings get to smell the burnt food and get benefits from it? If so, then Riwo Sangcho seems to include the merit of Sur offering. am I right or wrong?

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby Grigoris » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:43 pm

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Postby Grigoris » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:09 pm

I don't do Sur, so I don't really know, but I was under the impression that is was done specifically for hungry ghosts (preta).
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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby pemachophel » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:20 pm

If your intention is to specifically feed pretas and those in the bardo, do sur.

When Khandro Kamala, Chatral Rinpoche's Sangyum, was in the U.S. earlier this summer (and last summer as well), She did several different sang-chods followed by several different sur-chods followed by Protectors offerings each morning. During the sang, She made sure the fire was burning with visible flames. During sur, She made sure there were no visible flames but that there was a steady column of smoke. Also, She put somewhat different offerings in each.

IOW, these two practices each have their specific intentions and strong points. They are not identical and interchangeable. Of course, "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." IMHO, if you specifically want to feed pretas and/or those in the bardo, receive transmission for sur. Pretty much any Lama can transmit this, and there are many, many short sur liturgies that are convenient and easy to do.

BTW, Lama Acharya Dawa Choddak will be in Boulder, CO Nov. 8-13. Among the teachings He will be giving, one night He will teach specifically on Riwo Sang-chod and another night He will be teaching on Barched Kunsel Nor-lha (Wealth Deity) Sang. I will post more information on these events in the Events section when I get more details.

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Postby Grigoris » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:50 am

Don't buy the charcoal from a head shop, go to a Greek grocery store. They should be infiinitely cheaper there. Here in Greece, I buy them from the supermarket.

I was just wondering about the use of sage. American Sage is burnt for cleansing and purifying by American Indians, so I imagine that means it has the capacity to dispel (like myrrh/guggul). Wouldn't that render it unfit for use in a sang given we wish to attract/invite all beings to the offering?
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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby deff » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:31 am

this site has a good price (i think) on swiftlite charcoal - http://www.spiritualscents.com/p-126-sw ... 0roll.aspx

though it's only a good deal if you live in the US due to shipping costs. unfortunately i live in Canada so the shipping costs are too high to make a purchase of charcoal worth it. :smile:

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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