seeker242 wrote:I think how you hold your mind is much more important that how you make a living. As long as you are not engaging in "wrong livelihood" of course. With the right state of mind, it's quite possible to be within the "worker-consumer" life while at the same time being free of it. Just like the Buddha when he got enlightenment, he still lived in the world for many years but at the same time, was free of it.
"Each step modern society takes toward "liberation" is one more step toward alienation and meaninglessness. The excesses that characterize contemporary life (alcoholism, drugs, sex, work itself) are nothing but doomed attempts to overcome inner emptiness. Values, institutions, behaviors, are everywhere corrupted, debased, crumbling. Nothing, in this world, is worthy of survival; destruction is its deserved fate. Faced with this condition, the "differentiated man", "the anarchist of the Right", has only one choice: to totally reject worldly endeavors (including politics: apoliteia) and instead to concentrate on inner pursuits. For such a man, the search for his true nature is the only possible imperative."
Thrasymachus wrote:What is more relevant is the prank calls made to many restaurants in the USA, specifically an incident at a McDonald's in 2004. Essentially someone posed as a police officer over the phone to the manager, Donna Summers and accused one of her young female workers of shoplifting. He said he was too busy to come down right now and got her to strip search Louise Ogborn naked. Later as the McDonald's became more busy, Donna got her fiance to watch the girl. And her fiance, Walter Nix, sexually assaulted Oborn, just because someone posing as a figure of authority told her to. How do people get so obedient to authority? In our society, it is mostly a function of indoctrination in schooling. When you first start you hate and rebel against being told what to do against your own will, but by the time you are done, it becomes the only thing you know. Before it, workers would frequently sabotage their workplaces, fight or dispute with their employers, demand to take off for Saint's Days or other festivities and actually fight back against their enslavement. Now there is almost no such things as civil unrest or pitched battles in societies with compulsory education, because the population is too well educated to revolt.
Nemo wrote:seeker242 wrote:I think how you hold your mind is much more important that how you make a living. As long as you are not engaging in "wrong livelihood" of course. With the right state of mind, it's quite possible to be within the "worker-consumer" life while at the same time being free of it. Just like the Buddha when he got enlightenment, he still lived in the world for many years but at the same time, was free of it.
That is not what the Buddha did. Monks were not even allowed to touch money, wore clothes that were recycled corpse wrappings and begged for all their food.
Livelihood is a very complex choice. I think the thing to have in mind is an escape plan. Most people don't have one. What is your escape plan? Most people end up with aiming for a small pension and using purchasing power parity to live out their lives some place more amenable. If anyone has better ideas I would love to hear them.
gregkavarnos wrote:Try to travel to some third world countries to see how th other 90% of this world lives.
Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble but the guerillas were given money (gold coins to be exact) by the English in order to buy supplies from the villages near their mountain hideouts, so that they wouldn't have to steal. This is eyewitness info from my father-in-law (he was a kid then) who used to run supplies into the mountains for the resistance fighters from his fathers store (his sister was in the resistance movement and his brother joined the pro-Nazi Security Battalions). The Nazis and their Greek sympathsisers burnt down my father-in-laws village in retaliation for the killing of some Nazi soldiers by the guerillas. The British (after the liberation of Greece by the resistance movement) then turned against the guerillas and used the same Security Battalions in an attempt to crush them. This lead to the Civil War and the subsequent US backed military dictatorship.Thrasymachus wrote:During World War II in Greece the thousands of guerillas lived in caves during the formal occupation of Germany's Third Reich.
Yes, that is quite likely. My grandfather, on my fathers side, was involved with transporting (by boat) English agents back and forth to the island of Lesvos where there was a serious Communist Resistance movement during the occupation and subsequent civil war.Thrasymachus wrote:@Dorje/Greg:
I am pretty sure according to the two books I read, one from David H. Close another by Mark Mazower, the impression I got was that most of the guerillas actually were given food and supplies by sympathetic fellow villager or simply took it with their guns by force. It may have been different in certain areas, but the British couldn't have had access to give all of them gold money. The British SAS actually came to my mother's village, since it is near the coast.
Anhilaal wrote:coalition against work, career, representation and civilization in south asia
At the centre of the term hilaal is the infinitive: hilaanaa . In many South Asian languages it means to move, to shake something. An, the prefix, stands for negation.
The name is based on a belief about some tribal groups from eastern India. Early morning before going to work at the field of moneylender or landlord, s/he shakes haandi with her toe. If the haandi refuses to move s/he also refuses to move. So long there is rice in the haandi, s/he shall not move to work. So we are.
Gangadin Lohar wrote:...
* As soon as you start outdoing your potential competitor in the labour market you turn into the enemy of worker from your own generation. I have to outcompete the pre-existing and potential competitors so I turn into enemy of older and coming generations. Above all, I have to turn into my own enemy to able to work for lesser wages more productively in lesser time . “Conquer yourself, if you want to conquer the world.”
* Only if you turn into your enemy, enemy of your contemporaries, of earlier generations and of coming generations you will be able to survive. Anti-Being becomes the precondition of our Being.
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