Sanskrit for nonmeditation

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby krodha » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:27 am

Non-meditation in sanskrit would be sahaja samadhi, which is spontaneous and effortless abiding in the natural state.

Non-meditation is a specific level of non-regressive abiding (in absorption) which transcends sessions and breaks between meditation sessions. So it's more than simply the opposite of meditation, which is what the negative sanskrit prefixes of 'a', 'ni', 'na' etc., would represent. Instead of a lack of meditation (or the absence of meditation), non-meditation is effortless meditation. Sahaja samadhi represents that state and is a fitting term in my opinion. But I'm no expert!

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby Huifeng » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:18 am

Hmmm..., but "sahaja samadhi" (or derivatives) simply does not mean "non-meditation". It could be translated as something like "together-born meditation" (in an overly literal sense), or maybe even "inborn meditation" or "innate meditation" (a closer cognate) in certain contexts. But that doesn't sound much like "non-meditation" at all, at least to me.

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby Huifeng » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:42 am

I would suggest that some serious reconsideration of the term(s) in English would go a long way...

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby Aemilius » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:03 am

I recall that Herbert Guenther has in some his early books, possibly the one about Naropa, given the Four Yogas of Mahamudra in sanskrit. Anyway there are a lot of buddhist sanskrit sadhanas, gathas, tantras and and their commentaries in existence: sadhana collections Nishapannayogavali and Sadhanamala, tantras such as Hevajra and its commentary Yogaratnamala, etc..

Wikipedia gives the four yogas of mahamudra in sanskrit thus:
1. One-pointedness; ekAgra
2. Simplicity; nishprapAncha
3. One taste; samarasa
4. Non-meditation; abhAvanA
(A = long a)
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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby zenman » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:18 pm

The term of non-meditation came across to me in a book of Tsoknyi Rinpoche, and so the question. The book, Fearless Simplicity, doesn't tell what is the Sanskrit original. Tsoknyi Rinpoche is from the dzogchen-tradition. Perhaps this will help to say what is the right term in the sense how Rinpoche describes this state.

Btw, is sahaja samadhi used in Buddhism? I've heard it be used only in Hindu yoga.

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby dzogchungpa » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:14 pm

There's little doubt that TR is referring to 'sgom med'. I do think 'abhAvana(A)' is about as close as you are likely to get in Sanskrit. I have not heard 'sahaja samadhi' being used in a Buddhist context.
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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby Aemilius » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:52 am

Sahaja is an important concept in Mahamudra, often translated as coemergent. It appears for example in the Songs of Saraha.It would be astonishing if the word non-meditation doesn't exist in the sanskrit gathas of Saraha and other Siddhas. Thomas Cleary has translated a bengali language collection of gaathaas of buddhist Siddhas.
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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby zenman » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:25 pm

I remember that in the book Tantric Treasures which partly deales with Saraha, the author said that at times it is difficult to know whether siddhas such as Saraha and others have been buddhists, hindus or something else.

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby dzogchungpa » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:31 pm

I believe that 'sahaja' corresponds to 'lhan skyes' in Tibetan, and is an important term in Tibetan Buddhism, but I have never heard of 'sahaja samadhi' being used in a buddhist context.
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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby Aemilius » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:56 am

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby Anders » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:41 am

"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby Aemilius » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:58 am

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Re: Sanskrit for nonmeditation

Postby zenman » Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:05 am

Ok, I see.

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