shel wrote:Yes of course, and Zen masters are mortal beings in samsara also, hence this topic.
Do you really think so?
The past conduct of realized
Zen masters makes the topic question (does Zen have ethics?) a good one. If they had behaved differently the question would not have been asked.
Even if you do, then why do you mix me up with zen masters? I am not a zen master...
Much of the confusion in the current discussion seems to stem from your command of the English language. Not your native language it seems. For your information, also
means in addition to. So there is you, and
there is Zen masters also
. Is that clearer now?
It would not surprise me in the least if you were a Zen master, incidentally.
and I am not sure if you know any master personally.
I'm sure you're not sure, but what about you? Who is your master, or is that secret?
Easy judgments come from lack of knowledge.
It's not clear what judgements you are referring to. The immediate point is that the topic exists because of the past conduct of Zen masters and their students. That conduct calls into question the ethics of the tradition. If you disagree with this point maybe you can explain why.
And as I told you before nobody is forcing you to follow zen or zen masters..
I don't recall you telling me that before. How is this relevant to the topic?
you can drop tchem completely, there is no point to stand at the road and count their fails, since it is failure itself
The point of recognizing failures is to learn from mistakes so as not to repeat them, and to protect the innocent.