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Knots

Postby rachmiel » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:43 am

We all have psychoemotional "knots" in our personal histories. Especially from our childhoods. Traumatic events that generate painful neuron/memory/emotion patterns that seem to get stuck, persist, sometimes disappear, then resurface periodically (and sometimes dramatically) at triggers.

I'm wondering to what extent these knots can ever truly be untied and "healed?" I.e. is it worth the time and energy to work at unraveling them? They are, after all, just memories, archived stories. And most of them are buried so far in the unconscious mind that it could very well be an act of futility to try to reach them anywhere near directly.

I'm wondering if the "solution" to the suffering that these knots call forth (when triggered) is not to figure them out, psycho-analyze them, work to undo them ... rather, to heal the medium in which they arise, the mind itself, moment-to-moment thought, consciousness ... through meditation and mindfulness.

Does "healing one's consciousness" via meditation/mindfulness take care of the knots? Perhaps not in the sense of un-knotting them ... rather in the sense of enabling them to filter out through consciousness like toxins do through kidneys, smoothly, painlessly, without leaving a trace? Or is this a bit like treating the symptoms rather than the underlying cause?
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Re: Knots

Postby rachmiel » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:50 am

I know this is not a question about Buddhism per se ... but I'm very interested in hearing the Buddhist perspective on it.

Can meditation/mindfulness "heal" (end) the traumatic psychoemotional knots we acquire during our lifetimes? Or just prevent us from holding on to them?
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Postby Johnny Dangerous » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:01 am

It's totally about Buddhism, and totally worth talking about.

One idea that I recently heard explained really well in a teaching I was exposed to is that our Karma is like the tip of a huge iceberg, what we can see in this is a small, small part of the story. Nonetheless, the patterns of this life could be said to resonate with the whole, so the patterns themselves aren't new..we've had them an immeasurable amount of time, just this is a new iteration of them.

Should we work on them..I think absolutely we should, and honestly doing so seems integral to Buddhist path to me, that stuff IS your karma, or karmic seeds, or whatever classification various types of neuroses might fall under.

The teachings that resonate with me encourage "liberating" these things by seeing their empty nature, not identifying them as stable, permanent, or of a self etc..of course that's easier said then done, but one common way is Vipassana.
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Re: Knots

Postby Lhug-Pa » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:07 am

In the teachings on the practices of Yantra Yoga, 'Khrul-'Khor or Trul-Khor, and Tsa-Lung it is said that heavy stress, emotional traumas, frequent and/or intense outbursts of anger, etc. do cause knots within the Nadis or Channels, which of course effects the mind; and that these knots can actually be untied by the practice of Yantra Yoga, 'Khrul-'Khor/Thrul-Khor, and Tsa-Lung because the physical-body and Prana-energy are not separate from the mind.

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Postby Uniltiranyu » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:23 am

I've found that I have become accustomed to simply observing the physical and mental qualities of any unpleasant emotions; I don't fret about any unpleasantness that arises, and by and large I don't even wish that unpleasant feelings would diminish should they come up. Nothing is ever permanent. I have discovered that there are some exceptionally unpleasant feelings which can arise from meditation - after all, some meditation deities are noted as being loathsome, dreadful, etc., so you expect this from time to time. These sorts of things settle into perspective as being part of a broader mandala of feelings and sensations. I don't ever anticipate removing unpleasantness from my life; but, unless life is really difficult, I can't see why I would ever need to.

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Re: Knots

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Re: Knots

Postby Paul » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:48 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Knots

Postby LastLegend » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:41 am

What exactly are those "knots? are they simply thoughts? If more than thoughts, then what are they? Do we need to apply any antidote?

Alternatively, one can always pray to Buddha or Bodhisattva.
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―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Knots

Postby rachmiel » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:21 pm

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Re: Knots

Postby LastLegend » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:45 am

Same can be said for fear.
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Re: Knots

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