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Fa Dao wrote:Maybe I am just an uneducated rube but perhaps someone can explain to me why there is so much dissension. "Theyre the same" VS "theyre not the same". This seems to crop up a lot and I for one just dont get it. On the one hand you have Garab Dorje, Vimalamitra, Vairocana, Manjushrimitra, etc etc up until present day. All great Totally Realized Masters. On the other hand you have Naropa, Tilopa, Marpa, Milarepa, etc etc up until present day..also great Totally Realized Masters. It doesn't take much reading to see that their methods were different...vive la diferance...But ultimately Total Realization is Total Realization, right??? If a person hears/reads about Garab Dorje or Milarepa and one of those strikes a chord in them isn't that the most important thing? Hopefully somebody here can definitively clear this up for me....because I just don't get it
Not necessarily. There are different approaches, some gradual, some direct. One of my lama gave us Mahamudra pointing out instructions without even asking us if we had taken refuge (I hadn't taken refuge yet).Fa Dao wrote:Ok Malcolm..I hear that. But if I understand correctly in Mahamudra you go through ngondro etc first and then get pointing out instructions and then you work with that..i.e a "gradual path"
Then, my advice would be: Get pointing out instructions (in either tradition) and go for broke.I am 51 years old..who knows how much time I have left? I do know however that what time I do have is not worth arguing over stupid shit..I just want clarification and eventually Realization
Fa Dao wrote:it seems that it is important to have these subtleties very clearly understood as it is easy to go astray if you dont..know what I mean?
Fa Dao wrote:who knows how much time I have left? I do know however that what time I do have is not worth arguing over stupid shit..
Fa Dao wrote:Greg, yes I was generalizing a bit. But while I somewhat agree with your previous post that its not a good idea to intellectually get caught up in distinctions it is equally important to have a clear understanding of those distinctions because as most here know it is so easy to get caught up in ones own mental constructs, think you have something and consequently waste precious time. It was not my intention to start a huge bullshit argument over the merits of either system. I am 51 years old..who knows how much time I have left? I do know however that what time I do have is not worth arguing over stupid shit..I just want clarification and eventually Realization