"The nihilistic approach evokes the psychological attitude of fatalism. You understand logically that if you do something, things happen in reaction to it. You see a continuity of cause and effect, a chain reaction over which you have no control. This chain-reactive process springs from the mystery of "nothingness." Therefore, if you murder someone, it was your karma to murder and was inevitable, foreordained. For that matter if you do a good deed, it has nothing to do with whether or not you are awake. Everything springs from this mysterious "nothingness" which is the nihilistic approach to reality. It is a very naive view: one leaves everything to mystery."
oushi wrote:When it comes to free will, you may not see it, but it is inconsistent to say that there is no difference between karma (which is cause and effect mechanism) and will, because it would mean that will has it cause so it isn't free, but rather determined bu it's cause. Buddhism is pretty much deterministic, but because of anatta there is ultimately no one determined. All is karma and there is Tathagata, the unconditioned, who is not free to act good or bad, but is free from acting good or bad. And this is what you will find in Zen masters teachings. This is why ethics are only a background framework, an not a major issue.
(Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche: Shunyata in "Dzogchen Primer", p 225)
This is a statement, not an explanation. Very naive approach, which have nothing to do with reality. Moreover it's inconsistent, because in predetermined reality there is no "leaving everything to mystery".
Moreover, mahaprajnaparamita will crush Trungpas words completely. We can debate causality and free will, but those are already explained issues. If you don't believe, try answering the question who is the owner of free will.
This Trungpa teaching is the worst piece of teaching I have ever seen. Not only it's inconsistent, but very dangerous and misleading.
Karma is not universal cause and effect, it is ethical responsibility and mental habituation. Fatalism and pre-determinism are not Buddhist views.
For predetermination, a predetermined object must exist. In codependent reality, such an object does not exist. Duality is only a mental fabrication. Buddhism does not fall under predeterminism because of that, not though negating causality.