Does Zen have ethics?

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Re: Does Zen have ethics?

Postby Luke » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:50 am

Matylda, you are actually Japanese, right? I apologize if I offended you.

If the Zen forum here were very active and full of Japanese Zen Buddhists, I would have probably chosen my words much more carefully. I was just trying to generate some interesting discussion.

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Re: Does Zen have ethics?

Postby yan kong » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:23 pm

Luke, you should read Dharma Master Sheng Yen's commentary on the heart sutra. He makes comments on how in the study of empitness some conclude that there actions do not matter and how this is an error in view.
"Meditation is a spiritual exercise, not a therapeutic regime... Our intention is to enter Nirvana, not to make life in Samsara more tolerable." Chan Master Hsu Yun

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Re: Does Zen have ethics?

Postby yan kong » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:35 am

One would think this point need not be clarified. But I think transgressions have been made under the guise of "emptiness" where moral gray areas may come into play.
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Re: Does Zen have ethics?

Postby Matylda » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:55 pm

As for http://sweepingzen.com/unethical-practices/ I really have no idea since it concerns basically XX-XXI century American phenomenon with so called American zen... so you have to figure out yourself. I have no knowledge of all those problems.
However I have seen somehow people who got involvoed in witchhunt and comitted their life to this.. it is fine for them, probably. But my impression was that they were pretty obssessed with mistakes of others. That is very laughable I have to admit.

And as far as you denteaching of those masters who taught about karma, ethics or bodhicitta, if you mean that they were liars, then its ok. Nobody really has to follow them, it is personal decision who follows whom. If you do not know they actions and believe that they were so bad, then there is nothing to do about it.

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Re: Does Zen have ethics?

Postby Matylda » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:09 pm

One is responsible for oneself completely... there is no any supernatural intervention into karma sorry but I cannot follow even the term, where did you get it from?
I am asking about this onesided understanding of emptiness it is a form of confused delussion about emptiness. When apperently one thinks that understood but in fact is deluding oneself profoundly. And it comes from false realization. Just read SHIZEN BIKU of Dogen zenji and you will see the warning of a great master and following instructions.

As for ancient masters like Rinzai, Tozan etc. well their teachings were very particular, and for particular people. With time there were less and less qualified students so teachings were more and considerably restricted unless student could mature enough to understand. Today nobody is picking up so easily in Japan those teachings outside of strictly cloistered monastery, where still young or old monks can hardly understand it... so if anyone would like to pick up Rinzai without any genuine understanding of those teachings, just may feel free, at that point I have nothing to say.
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