YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

10-day goenka retreat - Page 6 - Dhamma Wheel

10-day goenka retreat

On the cultivation of insight/wisdom
User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:17 pm


delf7
Posts: 73
Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:36 pm
Location: midwest, usa

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby delf7 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:32 pm

is anyone else getting tired of this thread, or is it just me?

User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:01 pm


User avatar
mikenz66
Posts: 14947
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:37 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:35 pm

I'm hardly a "goenakaist". I've only done one retreat, and I prefer the Mahasi-style approach that my local teachers use. The method itself is a bit too rigid for my taste.

However, I don't see anything about the structure of a Goenka retreat that is at significant variance with other strict retreats. No talking, no reading, get up, practice, eat, practice, sleep. Difficult stuff, but very standard.

Personally, I'm pleased I did some less strict, shorter, retreats before the Goenka retreat. I actually felt very relieved on the Goenka retreat that the silence was kept strictly by the servers.

The point is, any intensive retreat will bring up a lot of difficulties. New meditators might consider starting with some shorter and/or less demanding retreats.

:anjali:
Mike

delf7
Posts: 73
Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:36 pm
Location: midwest, usa

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby delf7 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:40 pm


User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:47 pm


User avatar
Ben
Posts: 18442
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 am
Location: kanamaluka

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:24 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..

delf7
Posts: 73
Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:36 pm
Location: midwest, usa

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby delf7 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:44 pm


User avatar
Ferox
Posts: 79
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:16 am
Location: New Jersey, USA
Contact:

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ferox » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:59 pm

-just one more being treading the ancient path of Dhamma-

User avatar
Ben
Posts: 18442
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 am
Location: kanamaluka

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:43 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..

User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:45 am

Greetings,

My first retreat was a 10-day Goenka one - I didn't consider this decision to have been near insanity then, nor do I consider it such now.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
cooran
Posts: 8502
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:32 pm
Location: Queensland, Australia

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby cooran » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:04 am

Hello all,

I think people can go to their first retreat with a mind full of wrong ideas about what it is going to be like.
A Retreat is a time of hard work to advance in the Dhamma.
A Retreat allows all sorts of kusala and akusala feelings, thoughts, imaginings, memories to arise in the first four or five days.
Peace often starts anytime from day 3 or 4 onwards.

Goenka is not my main practice, but I have been to a number Goenka retreats over the last 15 years and often have dosa arise due to the recordings. But I get over it, and take the benefits that come.

The best advice I've been given about the rough times during any Retreat is: ''Stay the distance''.

with metta
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

User avatar
Ferox
Posts: 79
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:16 am
Location: New Jersey, USA
Contact:

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ferox » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:04 am

-just one more being treading the ancient path of Dhamma-

User avatar
Ben
Posts: 18442
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 am
Location: kanamaluka

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:07 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..

User avatar
Ferox
Posts: 79
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:16 am
Location: New Jersey, USA
Contact:

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ferox » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:19 am

-just one more being treading the ancient path of Dhamma-

User avatar
Ben
Posts: 18442
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 am
Location: kanamaluka

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:24 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..

User avatar
Monkey Mind
Posts: 538
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:56 pm
Location: Pacific Northwest, USA

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Monkey Mind » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:34 pm

Prior to my first 10-day retreat, I had done 3 and 5 day retreats in other traditions, and therefore assumed I was "ready". Turned out that my past experience translated very poorly in regards to preparing me for the 10-day retreat, because it wasn't quantity of time on retreat but my faulty expectations that made it a difficult experience*. I really wanted to leave the retreat after the 3rd and 5th days, and if my car had been in the parking lot I would have just left without telling anyone. But a friend had driven me to the retreat and dropped me off, the retreat center was miles away from the nearest town, and a couple hundred miles away from where I live. (And I had turned in my wallet and phone to the retreat manager for safe keeping.) I am grateful for that, because Day 6 was a life changing event, and I have returned for several more retreats.

* What would have helped me to feel more prepared for the event? I knew very little about this type of retreat, and I read the introductory material with an almost lazy awareness. I wish I had watched the movie "Dhamma Brothers" before that retreat, and there are several other video documentaries out there about the 10-day retreats. I also wished I had spent more time practicing sitting on the floor (before the retreat I usually meditated on a chair or used a lot of cushions.) I wish I had been more honest in my retreat application about my physical injuries and mental health issues. (I didn't lie, but I omitted a lot of information.) Now when I attend retreats, I indicate in the retreat application that I prefer to sit on the floor, but sometimes I really do need back support. (And I bring my own back support, because it is customized to my needs.)
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

User avatar
Ferox
Posts: 79
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:16 am
Location: New Jersey, USA
Contact:

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ferox » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:12 pm

-just one more being treading the ancient path of Dhamma-

User avatar
wizi
Posts: 83
Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:47 pm

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby wizi » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:55 am

A few years back when I was researching on IVF (assisted fertility) treatments on the web, I found many forums n blogsites where forummers posted negative commentaries about their experiences and their doctors. Similarly, when I was researching on SN Goenka Vipassana meditation retreats, I found numerous negative reviews and youtube videos about Goenka's retreats.

After my successful first cycle of IVF treatment where I now have a vivacious 3 year old, and after a successful completion of my second 10 day retreat with Goenka (while i was 6 months pregnant), I came to realization that those who have succeeded in attaining their goal of having a child through assisted fertility treatments and those who have succeeded in attaining a sense of inner peace as a state of mind through a meditation retreat would seldom ever go on a website to broadcast their success. They would be quietly enjoying the fruits of their labour.

Whereas those who have not succeeded in these respective endeavour would naturally feel the urge to broadcast their negative experience to the world-at-large because of their unrequited need.

So now when I get asked for advice on fertility treatments or a meditation retreat, my guidance is that the more you read on the web, the less empowering it gets. What you read out there on the internet is probably statistically askewed to those who have not been successful one way or other. The successful ones are all happily and quietly enjoying their fruits of success with no urge to ever have to shout to the world about their newfound happiness.

:namaste:
All beings like yourself are responsible for their own actions. Suffering or happiness is created through one's relationship to experience, not by experience itself. Although I wish only the best for you, I know that your happiness or unhappiness depends on your actions, not on my wishes for you.
May you not be caught in reactivity.

User avatar
mikenz66
Posts: 14947
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:37 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:24 am

Thanks wizi,

:anjali:
Mike


Return to “Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine