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Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby greentara » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:53 am

'Nothing to see here folks, just another minor party being torpedoed below the waterline, return to work, shop as usual, docility is safety, arbeit macht frei"

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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby Jikan » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:27 pm

greentara wrote:'Nothing to see here folks, just another minor party being torpedoed below the waterline, return to work, shop as usual, docility is safety, arbeit macht frei"

The Age Newspaper


Hi greentara,

Could you please give us some context here? There are many different nations with senates, so it's hard to tell where we are or which parties we are speaking of. Thanks!
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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby greentara » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:56 pm

Jikan, The Age is an Australian newspaper. 'Julian Assange's Victorian Senate running mate has quit the WikiLeaks Party, complaining of power struggles, and a failure to live up to its lofty democratic ideals.

Ethicist and commentator Leslie Cannold announced on Wednesday she was resigning as the party's second Victorian Senate candidate.

Mr Assange, who remains in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, is the party's No. 1 Senate candidate but has previously spoken of the ability for Ms Cannold to replace him if he is elected but unable to take his place in Parliament'
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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby kirtu » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:16 pm

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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby Jikan » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:55 pm

greentara wrote:Jikan, The Age is an Australian newspaper. 'Julian Assange's Victorian Senate running mate has quit the WikiLeaks Party, complaining of power struggles, and a failure to live up to its lofty democratic ideals.

Ethicist and commentator Leslie Cannold announced on Wednesday she was resigning as the party's second Vicorian Senate candidate.

Mr Assange, who remains in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, is the party's No. 1 Senate candidate but has previously spoken of the ability for Ms Cannold to replace him if he is elected but unable to take his place in Parliament'


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Postby conebeckham » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:13 pm

I recall quickly glancing at a headline last week, purporting to state that Assange is actually espousing a Libertarian platform.
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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby Malcolm » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:42 pm

conebeckham wrote:I recall quickly glancing at a headline last week, purporting to state that Assange is actually espousing a Libertarian platform.



Well, he likes Rand Paul, apparently -- he and snowden.
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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby Lhug-Pa » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:25 pm

Well Rand Paul has been coming off as more neocon than Libertarian. Maybe he thinks he has to in order to receive some level of support from the Republican mainstream; but I like how his father Ron Paul almost never if at all said anything to appease neoconservatives. And Ron Paul had and has a bigger following than Rand Paul will ever have, unless of course the mainstream media starts to get behind Rand Paul which now seems to be what is happening.

It's hilarious to go on youtube and see Libertarian Ron Paul completely own in debate warmongering corporatocracy neocon shills like Hannity, O'Reilly, Romney, Santorum, etc. (also let's not forget that 'liberal democrats' are often as warmongering as their neoconservative counterparts).
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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby greentara » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:50 am

"In February, Paul was one of two Republicans to vote against extending three key provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act (roving wiretaps, searches of business records, and conducting surveillance of "lone wolves"—individuals not linked to terrorist groups).[79] In May, he remained the last senator opposing the PATRIOT Act, and was ultimately defeated on May 26"

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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby Jikan » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:21 pm

Lhug-Pa wrote: I like how his father Ron Paul almost never if at all said anything to appease neoconservatives. .


Ron Paul has said a lot of things to appeal to the neocon set & the "southern strategy" wing of the GOP generally.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/ ... wsletters/

http://www.vice.com/read/yeah-ron-paul- ... -all-sorry

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2 ... arians.php

...enough for his followers to build a blimp out of it all.
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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby kirtu » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:23 pm

Jikan wrote:
Lhug-Pa wrote: I like how his father Ron Paul almost never if at all said anything to appease neoconservatives. .


Ron Paul has said a lot of things to appeal to the neocon set ...


How is neocon different from perpetual war?

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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby greentara » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:17 am

The massive surveillance we are all now have to endure and the monitoring of all, even quite ordinary activities, makes me think of the prying wolves in sheep clothing. Civil libertarian James Bovard once said: ''Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.''
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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby Kim O'Hara » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:53 am

https://www.accessnow.org/
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More seriously, Access Now does good work but I think spending too much time on such stuff could send your life seriously off balance.

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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby Lhug-Pa » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:35 pm

Jikan, there are two sides to the story; and in looking at both sides (including what Ron Paul himself has said about it), I really don't think that Ron Paul is a racist. It's a debate that could go on and on, and, all I know for sure is that the number of anti-military-industrial-complex/pro-peace, pro-allowing-people-to-sell-raw-milk-without-getting-raided-by-armed-government-thugs, anti-international-banker-financial-tyranny, anti-torture, pro-civil-liberties, etc. politicians can almost be counted on the fingers of one hand; and Ron Paul happens to be one of them.

We could include in this list Ralph Nader, and perhaps also Cynthia McKinney, Gary Johnson, Dennis Kucinich, John Huntsman, and Jesse Ventura. I don't know a whole lot about all of the above-mentioned politicians; but they seem to be among the few who actually care, as opposed to existing as mere paid-off party-line democrat & republican corporatists.
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Re: Wikileaks for senate implodes!

Postby Lhug-Pa » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:06 pm

Ronpaulracistimpossible.blogspot.com wrote: http://ronpaulracistimpossible.blogspot ... l.html?m=1

Mr. PAUL: Mr. Speaker, with great sadness I must rise to oppose this measure granting a congressional gold medal to the 14th Dalai Lama. While I greatly admire and respect His Holiness the Dalai Lama, and fully recognize his tremendous status both as a Buddhist leader and international advocate for peace, I must object to the manner in which this body chooses to honor him.
I wonder if my colleagues see the irony in honoring a devout Buddhist monk with a material gift of gold. The Buddhist tradition, of course, eschews worldly possessions in favor of purity of thought and action. Buddhism urges its practitioners to alleviate the suffering of others whenever possible. I'm sure His Holiness the Dalai Lama would rather see $30,000 spent to help those less fortunate, rather than for a feel-good congressional gesture.
We cannot forget that Congress has no authority under the Constitution to spend taxpayer money on medals and awards, no matter how richly deserved. And I reiterate my offer of $100 from my own pocket to pay for this medal--if members wish to honor the Dalai Lama, all we need to do is pay for it ourselves. If all 435 of us contribute, the cost will be roughly $70 each. So while a gold medal sounds like a great idea, it becomes a bit strange when we see the actual cost.

If Congress truly wishes to honor the Dalai Lama, it could instead start by showing more respect for his views in the areas of foreign policy, war, and terrorism. The bellicosity often demonstrated on the floor of this institution toward entire nations and their people conflicts sharply with the peaceful teachings of the Dalai Lama.

Consider the following words of His Holiness:

‘‘When September 11 happened, the next day I wrote a letter to President Bush as a friend—because I know him personally. I wrote this letter and expressed, besides my condolences and sadness, a countermeasure to this tragedy: a nonviolent response because that would have been more effective. So this is my stance. And then just before the Iraq crisis started, millions of people from countries like Australia and America expressed their opposition to violence. I really admired and appreciated this.’’

‘‘When the war started, some people immediately asked me if it was justified or not, whether it was right or wrong. In principle, any resort to violence is wrong.’’

Consider also these thoughts from the Dalai Lama regarding the terrible pointlessness of war:

‘We have seen that we cannot solve human problems by fighting. Problems resulting from differences in opinion must be resolved through the gradual process of dialogue. Undoubtedly, wars produce victors and losers; but only temporarily. Victory or defeat resulting from wars cannot be long-lasting. Secondly, our world has become so interdependent that the defeat of one country must impact the rest of the world, or cause all of us to suffer losses either directly or indirectly.’’

‘Today, the world is so small and so interdependent that the concept of war has become anachronistic, an outmoded approach. As a rule, we always talk about reform and changes. Among the old traditions, there are many aspects that are either ill-suited to our present reality or are counterproductive due to their shortsightedness. These, we have consigned to the dustbin of history. War too should be relegated to the dustbin of history.’’

‘‘Of course, the militaristic tradition may not end easily. But, let us think of this. If there were bloodshed, people in positions of power, or those who are responsible, will find safe places; they will escape the consequent hardship. They will find safety for themselves, one way or the other. But what about the poor people, the defenseless people, the children, the old and infirm. They are the ones who will have to bear the brunt of devastation. When weapons are fired, the result will be death and destruction. Weapons will not discriminate between the innocent and guilty. A missile, once fired, will show no respect to the innocent, poor, defenseless, or those worthy of compassion. Therefore, the real losers will be the poor and defenseless, ones who are completely innocent, and those who lead a hand-to-mouth existence.’’

Mr. Speaker, in closing let me join my colleagues in stating my tremendous respect for His Holiness the Dalai Lama. While I cannot agree with forcible taxation to pay for gold medals, I certainly hope Congress takes the teaching of His Holiness to heart and begins to rethink our aggressive, interventionist foreign policy."


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