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Re: Views of Shentong and Dolpopa

Postby smcj » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:10 pm

90+% of the lectures I listened to as a young man about the Gelug Prasangika were from FPMT lamas: Lama Yeshe, Lama Zopa, Geshe Gyaltsen, Zong R., etc. That was a long time ago, but as I remember it, Tsongkhapa's contribution of how the interplay between the relative and absolute works did not result in producing a "view". In fact, it was only in the modern era that I found out that Tsongkhapa changed anything. They did not allow for alternative interpretations, what we were hearing was "the buddhist perspective". Nagarjuna's four points were stressed, as well as the absence of view. The phrase "non-affirming negation" was used extensively. Perhaps that is how they chose to teach a bunch of hippies at the time, but that has been, and still is, my education on the subject.
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Re: Views of Shentong and Dolpopa

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Views of Shentong and Dolpopa

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Views of Shentong and Dolpopa

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Re: Views of Shentong and Dolpopa

Postby conebeckham » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:09 pm

Smcj-

I recommend Brunnholzl's stuff, I think he does a good job outlining Tsong Khapa's view, vis a vis the "freedom from extremes" classical understanding....though others may disagree.


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