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Postby Buckwheat » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:17 pm

:redherring: There is a difference between the ascetic seeking out painful, tortuous practices and sitting through pain. Seeking pain is indulgence in pain, thinking the pain will bring about spiritual progress. Sitting through pain is transcending the pain to focus on what is really important: what is suffering... cause... cessation... path...

I have never been to a Goenka retreat, but I see nothing to suggest the method involves indulgence in pain.

As for the "hypnotic" criticism, I have noticed that many Buddhist practices do seem geared toward a type of "brainwashing" by getting the person into a calm place of trust and then planting the dhamma deep inside a person's consciousness. However, this is not an evil thing. Our suffering comes from a deep seated ignorance and clinging, and the only way to eliminate suffering is to dig deep and replace greed, hate, and delusion with virtue, concentration, and wisdom. What is wrong with that? Why else sign up for a 10 day retreat? Of course, before and after the retreat, I think it's important to reflect on how such training affects a person, and to decide to move forward or try another practice.
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby amrad » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:55 pm

I think a lot of the op's complaints come from the all to worldly practice of blaming others for our own failures. It would be interesting Breeze if your opinions would be the same if you would have buckled down to work and persevered to the end of the course.

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if i found myself in the middle of a highway and there was a truck speeding toward me, my "gut" would tell me to get out of the way. so... should i get out of the way, or should i stand there and question if my "gut" is a reliable source of information? maybe that truck is only a reflection of my own fears & anxieties. anything is possible.

i guess what i'm not understanding about this whole discussion is why the pro-goenka faction here at dhammawheel cannot simply accept that his methods are not right for everybody and why the goenkaists say that those who do not buy into these retreats have somehow "failed". what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander. there are many teachers and many methods, correct? this rabid defense of goenka reminds me of the "born-again christian" mentality that there is only "one way" - that "my way or the highway" mentality which i think, if i'm understanding my reading correctly, goes against what the buddha taught.

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby amrad » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:17 pm

The course schedule is made available in detail on line and you are asked if you have read and understood it when you apply. Once more when you go to register at the site you are asked if you understand the rules and you are urged to stay for the full ten days. The length of the course is also everywhere on their site, also the urging to stay for the full ten days is mentioned over and over again.
Now im not familiar with the particular site that Breeze went to,and it may be different. But my impression was that all courses run the same the world over.
Im low income as were most of those i met at the course. Most of us live in rural areas not cities, we have no access to Dhamma teachers or Theravada temples, and none of us could afford to pay for a retreat, regardless of methods taught.
Please keep in mind that many of us would never have had the opportunity to do a retreat if not for Goenka. That dosnt make us Goenkanites, it just makes us very thankfull.

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