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Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Postby Prasadachitta » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:03 am

Hi all,

I think we have the capacity to cultivate a high degree of empathy with beings in the future. With that empathy and as long as a practitioner accepts that the effects of karma are not lost at our death but continue onwards through the future lives of beings to come, there can be a similar result to believing in literal 1 to 1 rebirth. I have experienced this, but I do not reject rebirth as a possibility.

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Postby santa100 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:31 am

Ven. Thanissaro wrote a great essay called "The Truth of Rebirth - And Why it Matters for Buddhist Practice". Kind of long but definitely a great read..

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... birth.html

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby vinasp » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:18 am

Hi Nana,

Quote:

"The Buddha affirmed the existence of gods and higher realms."

I agree, but I suspect that my understanding of "gods" and "higher realms"
is different to yours.

However, I do not think that passages where the Buddha talks about devas, to
people who already believe in them, constitutes "affirming the existence of"
such devas.

You may as well say that parents who talk about the tooth fairy to their
child, must therefore actually believe in the reality of the tooth fairy.

Regards, Vincent.

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Postby piotr » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:25 am

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Postby vinasp » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:01 pm

Hi everyone,

I think that Retro has made some excellent points, for example:

MN 48 wrote:
"If a monk is absorbed in speculation about the other world, then his mind is enthralled."

This agrees with DN 1 and indeed, most discourses.

But a few discourses, such as MN 117, say things like:

"There is this world, there is the next world, ... this is right view .."

Does this mean that some teachings contradict others?

Regards, Vincent.


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